What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

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What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

Unread post by pologuy » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:48 pm

I know I sound like a broken record...

But what is up Yamaha's butt with the release of the new MOXF replacement?

It is now 5 years old (this month)...

NI just released their new S88 with dual OLED displays, etc. for $999 - so it can be done.

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Re: What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

Unread post by Saul » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:22 pm

Well you are certainly not alone in being frustrated at the lack of any new mid-range keyboard from Yamaha. I am sure there is something in the works but from Yamaha's standpoint if the MOXF is selling..and it still is, then what is the impetus to release a new keyboard? Purely from a marketing point of view why take any of the spotlight off the Montage right now? Perhaps the bean counters have a set number of Montage sales they need to reach before they give the nod for the release of a MOXF replacement?

All speculation of course but whilst Yamaha are dragging their heels for whatever reason, KORG, Roland and now CASIO are filling the gap. Casio in particular are on a roll right now and from our discussions with them and knowing the direction they want to head in I would be slightly worried if I were Yamaha!

Anyway, let's just play this out for a moment. Looking at the MOXF as it stands, what is your say, top 5 things you would want to see in a replacement? What is it the MOXF doesn't provide and how could it be improved keeping in mind any replacement would need to stick to a max of around $1200 to be an attractive proposition for the mid-range user.

I can think of a few things off the top of my head.

1 - More synth engines. Combine AWM2 with FM as in the Montage
2 - MUST have a large touch screen.
3 - Fast sample loading and audition. Can't be doing with a flash card that takes 40 minutes to load anything onto it!
4 - Wireless MIDI + Ethernet. This IS 2018 after all.
5 - Get rid of that huge number of buttons and add more real time controllers. Faders, knobs etc.

What do you think?
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Re: What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

Unread post by SeaGtGruff » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:48 pm

The other day I saw a picture on a keyboard magazine forum of a Yamaha MODX6 synth that looked like a smaller version of a MONTAGE. People were calling it fake, but the picture certainly looked real to me.

EDIT -- It actually looked like it ticked off just about all of the items on your list, although of course it's impossible to tell from the picture whether it has built-in WiFi, and I'm just guessing about the FM capabilities based on its name. It's funny you said they should take away all those buttons, because the 16 or so category buttons were gone, yet one commentor sounded like he wanted them back.
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Re: What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

Unread post by pologuy » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:15 pm

SeaGtGruff wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:48 pm
The other day I saw a picture on a keyboard magazine forum of a Yamaha MODX6 synth that looked like a smaller version of a MONTAGE. People were calling it fake, but the picture certainly looked real to me.

EDIT -- It actually looked like it ticked off just about all of the items on your list, although of course it's impossible to tell from the picture whether it has built-in WiFi, and I'm just guessing about the FM capabilities based on its name. It's funny you said they should take away all those buttons, because the 16 or so category buttons were gone, yet one commentor sounded like he wanted them back.
Yamaha IS coming out with an MODX6!

Here is the application to the FCC for certification and legal sale of wireless devices in the US, etc...

https://fccid.io/R-REI-ymk-MODX6

Where did you see that pic?!

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Re: What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

Unread post by Saul » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:16 pm

Ok that's a very interesting thing because I have just seen a MODX7 listed as a "New Release" on the gear4music.com website over here in the UK. This is the first time I have heard of such a keyboard and as far as I am aware there has been no announcement from Yamaha.
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Yamaha MODX
Full Description:

AWM2 Synthesis Engine and FM-X Technology
The AWM2 acts as the heart of the synthesizer. The AWM2 (Advanced Wave Memory) synthesis engine is exclusive to Yamaha synthesizers, renowned for its versatility and sound design capabilities. The AWM2 provides processes both samples and synth sounds, providing ultra-realistic emulation of acoustic instruments, digital sounds and drums.

The FM-X (Frequency Modulation) section provides unique and expressive ways to create synth sounds. The highly-programmable technology provides the means for dynamic, electro-modern music creation. It can create everything from 80s synth sounds to cutting-edge EDM leads. The unique technology provides an 8-operator FM architecture with 64-note polyphony and a wide variety of filter types.

Semi-Weighted Keybed and Versatile Performance Controls
The MODX7 features a 76-note semi-weighted keybed, providing fluid playability. The semi-weighted keys provide added expression, emulating the feel of a traditional piano. The AWM2 engine delivers 28-note polyphony and 64-notes of FM-X polyphony, opening up a new world of possibilities for creating sounds.

A wide range of performance controls are included, ideal for live sets and for use with music production. Empower your creativity with versatile controls for virtually every parameter.

The Super Knob is a highly unique control, acting as a virtual conductor for your music. It directs individual dynamic elements into a signal control. It provides simultaneous control of up to 128 parameters within a single performance. This gives you the ability to mix functions such as Volume, Pan, Effect and other parameters such as Filters, LFOs and more.

Four additional faders and encoders are included. These can be assigned to different functions and used for hands-on control of settings. Between each slider (fader) is a Scene button, It features eight Scenes which can be for different assignments such as Motion Sequence, Arpeggio Select number and even complete mixing. A range of transport controls are included, as well as a modulation and pitch wheel.

Integrated Premium-Grade Effects
A wide range of premium-grade effects are included for adding flare to your sounds. From high-definition Reverbs to Virtual Circuit Modelling effects, the powerful DSP engine delivers unparalleled audio fidelity and performance.

The effects range from standard delays and compressores to cutting-edge effects such as Beat Repeat, Vinyl Break or Bit Crusher. The specialised Spiralizer effect creating the sonic illusion of a tone rising or falling in pitch. There is even a Compression with a sidechain, allowing you to achieve the modern-day ducking effect.

Built-In USB Audio Interface
Aiding modern-day computer-based production, the MODX7 features an integrated 2-in/10-out multi-channel USB audio interface. The high-grade interface is coupled with two A/D inputs, making the MODX the perfect choice as a centrepiece in any studio or live setup. It provides single-cable connectivity, and even works with your favourite iOS device.

Envelope Follower and Motion Sequences
The Envelope Follower converts audio into a control source for virtually any synth parameter. For example you can use a drum loop to drive an effects parameter for a unique rhythm and/or vocal recording.

Motion Sequences give you the ability to create tempo-synchronised sequences which can be assigned to any parameter. This opens up new way to control rhythms and sound. It also features dedicated controls on the front-panel, allowing for real-time manipulation.

Ergonomic, Lightweight and Portable
The sleek and streamlined design is highly portable, making it ideal for live performances and studio sessions. The ergonomic layout is split into various sections allowing you to easily navigate between parameters, settings and sounds. The large LCD touch-screen provides a hands-on approach to accessing sounds and files. The Waveform-Rom of the synthesizer has been expanded from 741MB to 5.67GB. It also provides Seamless Sound Switching (SSS) for performances with up to four parts.

The compact and lightweight design makes it easy to transport. A dedicated transport case is available for the MODX, so you can transport your synth with maximum protection and comfort. The rear of the synth features a variety of connections. A foot switch/sustain output is available for incorporating expression pedals. There are also connections available for A/D input, as well as USB connectivity for USB to Device and USB to Host.

Features
AWM2 (Advanced Wave Memory 2) sample and synthesis engine
76-note semi-weighted keybed for fluid playability
Unparalleled sonic versatility for creating sounds from iconic 80s sounds to modern-day EDM cutting-edge leads
Integrated performance controls include faders and encoders for in-depth control over parameters
Ideal for both studio and stage use
FM-X Synth Engine
LCD-Touchscreen 7"-Colour-Wide-VGA-TFT
Waveform-ROM expanded from 741 MB to 5.67 GB
2,370 new Waveforms, 6,347 total in ROM
1 GB Flash-ROM built-in
Ca. 2,000 preset performances
640 user performances
5,120 library performances
Seamless Sound Switching “SSS“ for Performances with up to four Parts
13 dual insert effects (12 Parts + A/D Input)
Over 256 preset live set slots, 2,048 User & 2,048 library live set slots
10,239 arpeggios
Eight arpeggio Parts simultaneously
Eight Scenes per Performance
Master keyboard functions for each Performance
Multichannel USB Audio Interface, 2-in/10-out

Gear4Music are saying Estimated delivery: 13th - 17th September. Does that seem at all likely given no publicity or announcement of any sort?

I am wondering if this is something that should not have appeared on their site yet and was put up by mistake. It happens. Retailers are given the details in advance of release and are "supposed" the create the listing and then "schedule" it for a certain date. Some people forget and just click on publish and the thing goes live.
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Re: What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

Unread post by pologuy » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:21 pm

Here is the one for the MODX8!

https://fccid.io/R-REI-ymk-MODX8

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Re: What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

Unread post by pologuy » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:32 pm

You two just made my day!

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Re: What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

Unread post by Saul » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:37 pm

pologuy wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:32 pm
You two just made my day!

Thank you!
Made my day :lol:

After all this waiting and speculation it would appear Yamaha have created more or less exactly what myself and Chris (Parametric) discussed in a focus group a couple of years back.

I have a feeling Yamaha won't be overly chuffed at the news getting out like this though but hey, news is news :)
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Re: What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

Unread post by pologuy » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:41 pm

Well, I was damn near ready to buy the new NI S88...

Like you said, I figured Yamaha was just going to continue to milk the MOXF and not take away from the Montage sales...

Glad you two sourced this!
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Re: What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

Unread post by pologuy » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:43 pm

The only thing it appears they didn't upgrade that was on my list was a "real" power supply and cord...

I can live with that, lol.
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Re: What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

Unread post by Saul » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:55 pm

Yeah I can certainly forgive the lack of a fully integrated psu and given some of the problems with sourcing and maintaining older power supplies perhaps it is not such a bad thing. Also of course negates the problem of heat within the keyboard itself.

By the way, we now have a new forum on the site. The Yamaha MODX Forum ;) So if you find any videos etc start a new thread and that way we can keep all the info coming and make it easier to find.
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Re: What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

Unread post by SeaGtGruff » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:03 am

pologuy wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:15 pm
Where did you see that pic?!
http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthread ... cs/2947244
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Re: What's up with Yamaha and the new MOXF...?

Unread post by Saul » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:44 am

It is also still listed here on the Gear4music.com site:
https://www.gear4music.com/Keyboards-an ... board/2NRS

Although it is a good bet that will disappear over the next 24hrs...I have it saved though ;)
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