MOXF still worth buying over MODX

Yamaha MOXF6 Music Production Synthesizer boasts a rich collection of instrument voices that includes pianos, electric pianos, strings, wind instruments, orchestral sounds, guitars, basses, and drums, as well as a wide variety of vintage and modern synth sounds.

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MOXF still worth buying over MODX

Unread post by josephdouce » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:56 am

I am thinking of a MODX or MOXF.

I don't really need all the FM stuff and would be looking at

£1200 MODX8
£700 MOXF8 (Used) inc Flash 1GB

Any comments/suggestions?

I mainly piano atm and am looking to expand my piano/vocal duo's sound.
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Re: MOXF still worth buying over MODX

Unread post by Saul » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:11 am

Interesting question and of course you save £500 buying the MOXF which something not easily ignored!

I would still choose the MODX8 even though it would cost more. I can only speak for myself though but, there are a number of reasons why I would go down the MODX route.
  • Better user interface
  • Faster flash ram...MOXF is painfully slow
  • Improved AWM2
  • FM - More powerful than the DX/SY and a LOT easier to use
  • Super Knob - Silly name for an incredibly powerful performance tool
  • Better quality samples...to my ears anyway
  • Longevity - AWM2 + FM-X is a powerful combo with limitless potential plus regular updates from Yamaha
So, those would be MY reasons but, you know what is important to YOU and if the MOXF does the job then it's a simple decision. Save yourself £500 and go with the MOXF :)
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Re: MOXF still worth buying over MODX

Unread post by pologuy » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:17 am

Saul wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:11 am
Interesting question and of course you save £500 buying the MOXF which something not easily ignored!

I would still choose the MODX8 even though it would cost more. I can only speak for myself though but, there are a number of reasons why I would go down the MODX route.
  • Better user interface
  • Faster flash ram...MOXF is painfully slow
  • Improved AWM2
  • FM - More powerful than the DX/SY and a LOT easier to use
  • Super Knob - Silly name for an incredibly powerful performance tool
  • Better quality samples...to my ears anyway
  • Longevity - AWM2 + FM-X is a powerful combo with limitless potential plus regular updates from Yamaha
So, those would be MY reasons but, you know what is important to YOU and if the MOXF does the job then it's a simple decision. Save yourself £500 and go with the MOXF :)
Well said!
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Re: MOXF still worth buying over MODX

Unread post by anotherscott » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:50 pm

I strongly agree about better user interface (though some people will miss having hard buttons for some functions).

I haven't yet loaded new samples sets into my MODX, so I will take Saul's word that it is faster than loading into MOXF flash, but loading new samples is something you very rarely need to do, so I don't think it would be an important differentiator for most people.

Is AWM2 better? I thought it was identical.

Yes, FM is a great enhancement. Although the OP doesn't care about FM sounds per se, as a secondary advantage, It also effectively adds to total polyphony. Polyphony is also better because a stereo note used up two instances of polyphony on the MOXF, and only one on the MODX.

Yes to the Superknob (and related, it's nice that it has an extra pedal, which is probably typically used for hands-free superknob manipulation, but can be used for other things as well).

I think all the samples in the MOXF are identically in the MODX... but the MODX also has WAY more samples.

Some others:

* seamless sound switching (among sounds of up to 4 parts)

* multi-part single instruments (allows more sophisticated sound programming, since a single sound can now have more than 8 elements)

* effects available on up to 12 parts at once (instead of 8 )

* as a MIDI controller, I believe you can control up to 16 external parts instead of 4.

And since the OP's focus is piano, the combination of the new sample sets with more-than-8-element instruments gives it some very nice pianos you can't get in a MOXF.

You also do lose some things... the full function sequencer, more flexible MIDI routing when controlling its sounds from an external source, the ability to play more than 8 split/layered sounds at once from the keyboard (using song/pattern mix mode), and I think the DAW controls. Also, the MODX is limited to 1 GB of user expansion, while there was a third party card for the MOXF that gave it 2 GB.
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Re: MOXF still worth buying over MODX

Unread post by Stevie18 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:36 pm

I agree that it is personal taste in many areas and the price which would let you choose the one over the other. I used to have a MOXF and now have the MODX (and a Montage). I personally did not like the MOXF. The usage was much more complicated than on the MODX, maybe not only because of the screen but because of a better UI in general. Also the new samples which are already in are way better, like for example the CFX piano. In general I did not like the sound of the MOXF, I thought there was always something missing compared to other synths I had and have. The MODX sounds much better to my ears. But that's certainly subjective and maybe I did something wrong at that time. I was never able to hear them side by side.

The sequencer (or better performance recorder) in the MODX is - for me - better and more useful. I did not like the sequencer in the MOXF, found it much too difficult to use. The MODX is far less powerful of course but on the other hand much easier to use for little sketches etc. Again, personal taste and the question what you need.
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Re: MOXF still worth buying over MODX

Unread post by Saul » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:22 pm

The Flash memory in the MODX is really fast compared to the XF/MOXF. I remember waiting around 35 minutes to load approx 500Gb into the MOXF where on the MODX the same operation takes around 5 minutes. That is quite some improvement! However as anotherscott mentioned it is probably not something you are going to be doing that often.
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Re: MOXF still worth buying over MODX

Unread post by josephdouce » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:08 pm

I went for the MOXF8 after trying them out, the John Melas tools overcame the UI limitations for me, the 4 voice performance and SSS can be overcome by just using songs and some creative settings.
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Re: MOXF still worth buying over MODX

Unread post by Saul » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:14 pm

Thanks for the update Joseph. Sounds like the right decision for your needs and you have saved a large amount of money too :)

What do you think of the MOXF8 keys?
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Re: MOXF still worth buying over MODX

Unread post by pologuy » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:44 pm

josephdouce wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:08 pm
I went for the MOXF8 after trying them out, the John Melas tools overcame the UI limitations for me, the 4 voice performance and SSS can be overcome by just using songs and some creative settings.
That is very interesting...

Considering the MOXF is used and the MODX would have been new...

And your main concern being piano - the new CFX and available Bosendorfer samples in the MODX instead of the older CFIIIS in the MOXF.

But the MOXF is no slouch.

Enjoy! :D
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Re: MOXF still worth buying over MODX

Unread post by josephdouce » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:33 pm

There's 3rd party Bosendorfer library for the MOXF I haven't tried it tho and I have the CP1 piano library which I have used to make a Piano over 2 voices with 5 velocity levels.

Using the MOXF in song mode you basically have a MODX in performance mode but you can use the keyboard for all 16 parts instead of 8.

No FM-X but if you don't need that I see no reason to buy the MODX.

You can create multiple "voices" in song mode using the "Recieve Channel" setting and have SSS.

MOXF has better DAW control.

Been trying to get some CFX samples but can't find any.

BUT

The UI is hard work... without the PC editor I'd have gone MODX purely for the touch screen.

Oh, and I saved £500
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Re: MOXF still worth buying over MODX

Unread post by Saul » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:53 pm

Yeah my only two complaints about the MOXF was the very small screen and the slow flash memory loading times. Apart from that it was and still is a great sounding keyboard.

I would still go for a MODX or even hang on a bit and get a used Montage or Kronos but of course the 88 note versions are still going to be quite expensive for some time to come.

You can do a lot with the MOXF though and £500 is a massive saving so, definitely no wrong decision here :)
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Re: MOXF still worth buying over MODX

Unread post by josephdouce » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:30 pm

I looked for a montage, still a bit pricey.
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