RE : Korg M1 (Programming & Questions?)

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:06 am

Hi Mick,
Miks wrote:I think it's in the amount of Multi-Sounds... the 'normal' M1/M1R have 100 of these, the M1EX/M1REX have 190 Multi-Sounds and a bit more Drum-Sounds.
Thanks a lot.

So they are called MULTI-SOUNDS and not WAVEFORMS? Is that just a name for the SAME thing though?

I though there was nearer 200 of these on board, but I am obviously wrong here (and I was going from memory in 1991). And are these in RAM or ROM please would you know?

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by Miks » Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:59 am

They are stored in ROM.

Here's my completely re-written manual for the PCM expansion for M1/M1R (SERVICE/RECONSTRUCTION MANUAL EXK-M1/M1R). Perhaps a reading makes (some) things clearer... (which I hope) :wink:
SERVICE-RECONSTRUCTION MANUAL_2.0_en.pdf
(10.11 MiB) Downloaded 38 times


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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:08 am

Mike,
monsterjazzlicks wrote:I though there was nearer 200 of these on board, but I am obviously wrong here (and I was going from memory in 1991). And are these in RAM or ROM please would you know?
Mmm, it seems there are 190 x MULTISOUNDS (according to your PDF). '000' ~ '189' (disregarding the 85 x DRUM SOUNDS).

In any case, are ALL of the PROG and COMBI Presets made up of these MULTISOUNDS exclusively?

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by Miks » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:17 am

This is what wikipedia 'knows' about the M1:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korg_M1


My (key related) gear (in alphabetical order):
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade


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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:18 am

Mick,
Miks wrote:I think it's in the amount of Multi-Sounds... the 'normal' M1/M1R have 100 of these, the M1EX/M1REX have 190 Multi-Sounds and a bit more Drum-Sounds... see attachment
Whoops yes, you are correct!

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:31 am

Thanks,
Miks wrote:This is what wikipedia 'knows' about the M1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korg_M1
Not sure if I understand what these two statements mean(?):
  • The huge success of the M1 lies primarily in the quality of its sounds. Korg expanded on the Sample & Synthesis idea, formally implemented on Korg DSS-1 in 1986

    Because no interaction between the oscillators was provided (unlike Roland's 'structures,' for example), dual-oscillator patches essentially ran the two oscillators in parallel.
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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:00 am

Hi,

Another thing which has greatly puzzled me is:

When in PROG, if you select a Preset and TRANSPOSE it Up/Down one (or more) OCTAVE(S), the TIMBRE of the Preset changes radically? So to outline this procedure: you enter the appropriate TRANSPOSITION page and select from: 2', 4', 8' or 16'.

Which ever sound you initially had has been either made BRIGHTER or DULLER depending on whether you have TRANSPOSED Up or Down (an Octave).

Has anyone else noticed this please?

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by Miks » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:57 am

Has anyone else noticed this please?
Will check this and come back with the result.

Here's two other articles that may be of interest:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb02/a ... 1retro.asp
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_ar ... gdss1.html


My (key related) gear (in alphabetical order):
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
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Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade


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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:54 pm

Mike,
Cheers, I will take a look...

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:10 am

Hi
Not sure what 'SOS' mean by DRAM (Dynamic RAM) please?

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by Miks » Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:31 am

Here's a good explanation of this memory technology:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_ra ... ess_memory


My (key related) gear (in alphabetical order):
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade


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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:07 am

Ta Miks,
Miks wrote:Here's a good explanation of this memory technology:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_ra ... ess_memory
Cheers. I had not heard of it before. Though I have heard of Volatile'.

I thought it (DRAM) may have been something to do with the actual sound of the samples, but obviously it is not related.

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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by Miks » Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:51 pm

monsterjazzlicks wrote:
So they are called MULTI-SOUNDS and not WAVEFORMS? Is that just a name for the SAME thing though?
Yes, that's correct, on the M1/M1R (and several other Korg synths like the T series) these waveforms are called MULTI-SOUNDS.
In any case, are ALL of the PROG and COMBI Presets made up of these MULTISOUNDS exclusively?
Exactly!


My (key related) gear (in alphabetical order):
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade


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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:32 am

Ok, thanks Miks!



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Re: RE : Korg M1 (Programing & Questions?)

Unread post by Miks » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:24 pm

monsterjazzlicks wrote:
In which case, lets say you EDIT a few of the 'A~H' parameters and before you SAVE it, the screen will look something like:-

Att=+10 / Dec=-2/ Sus=+6/ Rel=-9/ and so on...

That's great, but when you exit PROG and then return to it (the same patch) again, the display reads:-

Att=0 / Dec=0/ Sus=0/ Rel=0/ and so on...!

Surely it would be better to show:-

Att=+10 / Dec=-2/ Sus=+6/ Rel=-9/ and so on... because then you can see (compare) how/what has been changed compared to the factory DEFAULT!?
Same over here 8O - so it's NOT depending on the firmware revision...
I'm with you saying it would be better to show the ACTUAL value(s) of that parameters instead showing "00" (which perhaps should tell you that NO values have been changed since selecting this PROG :?: ) And that moment you'll change one (or more) of this values the M1 shows the new value of that parameter(s) to inform you...


My (key related) gear (in alphabetical order):
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade


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