Connecting Yamaha MG10XU mixer to single Yamaha DXR8 speaker

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Connecting Yamaha MG10XU mixer to single Yamaha DXR8 speaker

Unread post by arielen » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:11 pm

Hi,
I'm a newbie here who knows very little about music gears trying to set up a PA system for my two kids and need your help how to set it up.
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I recently bought a powered speaker Yamaha DXR8 and my kids are asking for a mixer so that my son can hook up his electric guitar while my daughter will hook up her keyboard and mic while singing. They want to record (for fun) their songs and the mixer I ordered is Yamaha MG10XU with USB output to connect directly to computer for recording. I keep on searching the internet but cant find the exact answer on how to connect a single speaker to mixer. Based on specs the DXR8 speaker have input of (channel 1 is single XLR-balanced, channel 2 is 1/4" jack L/mono & R-unbalanced). Mixer's output specs are (Stereo out consisting of L & R XLR and 1/4" L & R - balanced, Monitor out with 1/4" jack L & R - balanced and FX send single 1/4" jack-balanced). I have no problem if I have 2 speakers but I have no plan to add another speaker in the near future. Here's my options for connecting them so please help me which one is better or which one will work.

1) XLR from L output of mixer to XLR input of speaker in channel 1
2) 1/4" jack from L & R output of mixer to 1/4" jack input of speaker in channel 2.
2a) if option 2 ,what jack to use TRS or TS? mixer is balanced and speaker is unbalanced. Do I have to use 2 cables to L&R or one cable to L of mixer & L(mono) of speaker.
3) 1/4" jack from FX send of mixer to l(mono) jack input of speaker in channel 2.

I know I will get mono only on the speaker but what I want is to get the left and right sound from the MP3/CD that I will connect to the mixer if we want to listen to music only or add music to their recording. I bought PA speaker instead of studio monitor so that we can also use it outdoor for small gathering/church activities.

Thank you very much and sorry for a long post. The mixer will arrive this week and I want to buy cables, BTW, I have existing XLR to TRS 20ft cable at home so it is another option to use.

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Re: Connecting Yamaha MG10XU mixer to single Yamaha DXR8 speaker

Unread post by arielen » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:26 pm

Anybody can hep me please.
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Unread post by Saul » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:27 pm

Hi Ariel, welcome to yamahamusicians.com :)

This is the way I would hook it all up.

Microphone into mic/line input 1
Guitar into mic/line input 2
Keyboard depends on it's outputs...what keyboard is it? Some only have one output others have outputs for left and right but assuming you have left and right out on the keyboard I would plug those into channel 5/6 L/R inputs.
If the keyboard only has a single out I would plug it into ch3 input.

For output to the speaker you can indeed use the FX Send output but I would be inclined to instead use the 'Monitor' L/R outputs.

I'm sure others will chip in here :)
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Re: Connecting Yamaha MG10XU mixer to single Yamaha DXR8 speaker

Unread post by purcell » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:14 am

it is always useful to know some musicstores, or to have some telephone numbers of the musicstores.
They are always able to solve such problems!
A simple telephone call can be very useful. Keep that in mind, if you don't get the solution for your problems.

By the way,,,,I´m sure your problems will be solved soon. They are not that complicated.

Good luck!
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Unread post by parametric » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:36 am

Saul wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:27 pm

Microphone into mic/line input 1
Guitar into mic/line input 2
Keyboard depends on it's outputs...what keyboard is it? Some only have one output others have outputs for left and right but assuming you have left and right out on the keyboard I would plug those into channel 5/6 L/R inputs.
If the keyboard only has a single out I would plug it into ch3 input.

For output to the speaker you can indeed use the FX Send output but I would be inclined to instead use the 'Monitor' L/R outputs.
Hi Arial, and welcome.

Good advice from Saul there.

All I would add is that it may be better to connect the keyboard (if it has L and R outputs)

to inputs 3 and 4 (set to LINE).

Make sure Phantom Power is OFF.

Then DECIDE which Monitor Output you are going to connect to the Speaker.

Say you choose RIGHT . . .

Set the <Pan> controls on CH 1,2,3 and 4 fully RIGHT. This will ensure that the outputs are all going to the

RIGHT Monitor Out of the Mixer.

The 5/6 or 7/8 (Stereo) channels can be used for the keyboard or a Music Player (iPod/CDPlayer),

BUT remember, only the RIGHT channel of the Keyboard/Music Player will arrive at the Monitor OUT.

This Mixer does not have a MONO button, so the 5/6 balance control will just make the Right channel

louder and the left channel softer, when set fully RIGHT - IYSWIM . . . ?

It may be handy to use the phono inputs for 5/6 and 7/8.

The only way to have BOTH channels of the Music Player to appear as MONO, would be to swap out the

keyboard from Ch 3 and 4 when it's not being used, and connect the Music Player there. Set the <Pan> fully RIGHT.

For recording on the computer, I would just connect the mixer via USB and connect it's Monitor Outputs

to your Computer's Sound System.

Hope that helps

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Re: Connecting Yamaha MG10XU mixer to single Yamaha DXR8 speaker

Unread post by arielen » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:07 pm

Thank you guys for your replies.
I have no problem if I have two speakers. The manual shows how to connect them together with the L/R of my daughter's keyboard to the mixer.
My main concern is the cable connection from mixer to single speaker. Mixer has L/R XLR output but speaker has only one XLR input. Mixer has 1/4" jack which is balanced while speaker has L(mono) /R input on channel 2. which is unbalanced.
Do I have to use one xlr cable from L output of mixer to speaker or do I have to use two 1/4" jack from L/R of mixer to L/R of speaker. If using one or two jacks do I have to use TS or TRS. I searched on the internet but can't find the answer.
BTW, I asked sales rep at the store and he said just told me everything is in the manual but never showed there how to connect to one speaker only.
I received my speaker and expecting to receive the mixer this week and my kids are very exited. I figured out everything from equipment to mixer but having problem from mixer to speaker. Please help me.
Again, thanks a lot.
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Unread post by Miks » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:58 pm

The speakers have to be active unit - be aware of that... :wink:
You only have to decide which of the stereo channels you want to use - they're 'pari passu'!

Let's create an example and (only) use the left channel - connect the speaker to the Stereo Out section using the "L" XLR jack.

On ALL channels you use (Keyboard - Guitar - Microphone) you have to turn the pan pots (see red arrows) all the way over to the "L" (left) side:
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This assures you that all the incoming signals can be heard on the left channel's
speaker (XLR out). Now you should be ready to go... 8)

Edit: doing so will also 'create' a monaural signal (only left channel!) via USB! If you want to 'record' your kids music to a stereo track on a computer the pan pots should be set to middle position - that does affect the signal coming from the left speaker only a little. You can 'fiddle' a little with those pan pots to get a satisfying 'set-up'.
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Unread post by parametric » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:20 pm

arielen wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:07 pm
Thank you guys for your replies.
I have no problem if I have two speakers. The manual shows how to connect them together with the L/R of my daughter's keyboard to the mixer.
Indeed. In a ideal world, TWO DXR8's would be ideal - but another ~400 Bucks is a big "ask" :lol:
arielen wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:07 pm
My main concern is the cable connection from mixer to single speaker. Mixer has L/R XLR output but speaker has only one XLR input. Mixer has 1/4" jack which is balanced while speaker has L(mono) /R input on channel 2. which is unbalanced.
Do I have to use one xlr cable from L output of mixer to speaker or do I have to use two 1/4" jack from L/R of mixer to L/R of speaker. If using one or two jacks do I have to use TS or TRS. I searched on the internet but can't find the answer.
XLR implies "balanced", so you need a lead with an XLR on both ends. It matters not that the Speaker has only one XLR Input. You will only be using one input. Your other sources will be "mixed" in the Mixer and comes out of whichever Monitor-out you choose . . .

TRS= Tip-Ring-Sleeve, and is a 1/4" Jack with THREE connections.

This plug can also be called a STEREO JACK and is what you see on your Headphones.

There is also a smaller 3.5mm version, which is more common these days

TS= Tip-Sleeve and is also a 1/4" Jack with TWO connections.

This plug can also be called a MONO JACK and is what GUITAR LEADS are fitted with

TRS is BALANCED, TS is unbalanced.

Balanced is ALWAYS preferable if you have a choice. It's what the Pro's use in Studios and Concert Rigs.

Balanced connection gives better protection against interference, and allow LONGER cable runs.

BTW, what we call PHONO PLUGS in the UK, are called Phone Plugs or RCA Plugs, your side of the Pond :wink:
arielen wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:07 pm
BTW, I asked sales rep at the store and he said just told me everything is in the manual but never showed there how to connect to one speaker only.
I received my speaker and expecting to receive the mixer this week and my kids are very exited. I figured out everything from equipment to mixer but having problem from mixer to speaker. Please help me.
Again, thanks a lot.
Ariel
The Mixer "Manual" has degenerated to a single sheet for "cheapness" and is fairly awful and a trial to understand, even for me, and quite clearly, for the Sales Rep. too - hence the attitude . . .

If you check my previous post, and connect as described you should have no problem. 8)

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Re: Connecting Yamaha MG10XU mixer to single Yamaha DXR8 speaker

Unread post by arielen » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:21 pm

Again, Thank you very much for your replies. I received my MG10XU mixer today. I'll buy some XLR cables and will hook them up this weekend. I'll follow all your advice and hope everything will be ok. I'm tempted to buy another speaker but it's $700 plus tax here in Canada. Will save some money to buy a good microphone.
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Unread post by Saul » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:07 pm

Ariel can you let us know who the dealer is? That is not the sort of customer service any dealer should be giving. Of course sales people can't be expected to know everything but they SHOULD know how to connect the mixer to the speaker and have gone through that instruction sheet with you. Can't really call it a manual because as Chris mentioned it is just a diagram that really doesn't explain much.
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Unread post by parametric » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:09 am

arielen wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:21 pm
Will save some money to buy a good microphone.
Thanks and regards,
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I would personally recommend a Shure SM58 Microphone.

It's pretty much the industry standard Vocal Mike for performers. It's about £100 here in the UK . . . .

The SM57 is also good - and maybe slightly cheaper.

There are plenty of "Clones" around of the SM58 for considerably less money, but they do tend to sound less good (IME) than the real deal.

If possible, find a supplier that will let you audition them. It is really the only way to be sure . . .

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Unread post by arielen » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:07 am

Hi Saul, Parametric, Miks,
Thank you, I really appreciate your help. I called again the shop where i ordered the speaker and mixer and they told me to bring to them and they will show/teach me the proper way of setting it up. They don't have that type of speaker, (online only) and maybe that's the reason why they can't tell me exactly what to do. I'll bring to them tomorrow night and will update you. Regarding the mic, that SM58 is also their recommendation. I'll buy the one with on/off switch ($145 here in Canada).
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Unread post by Saul » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:36 am

That's good news Ariel. Doesn't matter which speaker they use as they just need to make sure you are clear on how everything connects etc.

As for microphones, the SM58 is certainly an industry standard but others you may want to look at:

SE Electronics X1A Condenser Microphone
Rode NT1A
AKG C3000 Large Diaphragm Condenser Mic
Sontronics SOLO Supercardiod

Might also be worth investing in a shock mount and pop shield for the mic.
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Unread post by Miks » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:23 am

arielen wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:07 am
Regarding the mic, that SM58 is also their recommendation. I'll buy the one with on/off switch ($145 here in Canada).
IF you go for the SM58 I'd recommend to take the model without switch! The reason is you'll get a loud 'popp' sound through your speaker(s) if using the switch (and the kids will do... :wink: ) - been there, done that! This is the reason why no one in our band uses a mic with a switch!

I myself use one (of two) Shure Beta 87A (together with a Shure A55M shock mount) for voice and a SM57 for my amp.
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Unread post by parametric » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:01 pm

Saul wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:36 am
As for microphones, the SM58 is certainly an industry standard but others you may want to look at:

SE Electronics X1A Condenser Microphone
Rode NT1A
AKG C3000 Large Diaphragm Condenser Mic
Sontronics SOLO Supercardiod

Might also be worth investing in a shock mount and pop shield for the mic.
More good advice from Saul . . . .

Condenser Mikes generally have the edge on quality and are generally favoured for recording,

however, they need Phantom power (48v) switched ON - or you get NO sound . . . .

Prices tend to be on the high side. Rode and especially AKG are revered "makes" in the industry.

I have personal experience of the AKG 414 which is superb, and bourne out by the fact that

Abbey Road Studios in London has a veritable "Sea" of them in their Mic Store . . . .

Prices tend to be eye-watering for regular users. :lol:

The MG10XU is arranged that when phantom Power is ON, it is ON for ALL those first FOUR inputs.

(Its cheaper to produce, than individual switching - which would be more useful)

It's not generally recommended to feed phantom power to items that don't require it.

Some may simply ignore/DEAL with it, some may suffer damage . . .

I'll inquire further, and get back to you . . . .

A mike stand would be good too, then you could mount the shock-mount and pop-shield,

and have one easy-to-position item for your set-up . .

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