Writing sheet music with the Yamaha Montage

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Writing sheet music with the Yamaha Montage

Unread post by Chummy » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:59 pm

Hello friends!

How would I go about writing PDF sheet music of my personal arrangements (for existing songs) and original piano solo pieces?
It's been literally many years since I touched Sibelius, (Cubase user) but I wonder is the best way is simply MIDI-ing it up to Sibelius using USB, (or any other *better* software you guys recommend for doing this? I've been out of the game too long IDK what to get right now) - recording my own performance and making the necessary tweaks/fixes/quantization afterwards?

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Unread post by Saul » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:14 pm

That's an interesting question. I think many people are still using either Sibelius or Finale. Yamaha of course have their own software called 'Dorico' which you may want to check out. We have a couple of people on the forum who have used it so may be able to tell you more about how it works.

I mainly play guitar and as far as I know none of the current batch of scoring software is able to take audio from a guitar and successfully turn it into an accurate score. Not that I would need it as I doubt anyone would want to have a transcript of my music but as I play for myself that doesn't really matter.

Let me know if you do try Dorico as I am always interested to hear how people are getting on with it.
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Re: Writing sheet music with the Yamaha Montage

Unread post by Chummy » Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:00 am

That's a shame Saul. You'd think with all the current tech guitar makers would step up their game and come up with new gizmos. IIRC there was this casio plastic guitar in the 80s that used to read MIDI but it was a toy and I'm not sure how far have we gotten today if any.

Frankly I've never heard this name "Dorico" before! Will defo google it and see what I can find, and if there are people here who can give additional input I'd like that. When I compose I always do so in front of a piano, or in my head then straight to the piano to solidify the musical idea. I really need the notation software to read midi so I can work like in "Cubase" when you just play whatever and use quantize /other tweaks afterwords. I can't be bothered using the mouse to draw every note since I'm a millennial.

On a side note I was at the national library today at a special tour arranged for our small group of music students by our uni. I couldn't believe how many prolific and important composers had the patience of writing EVERYTHING on paper seeing the actual original archives. I guess libraries will soon start a Sibelius/Finale/ USB score archives as I doubt many new composers will continue writing with a pen for much longer. Sorry for rambling.
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Re: Writing sheet music with the Yamaha Montage

Unread post by parametric » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:51 am

Hi Chummy,

I did start a review of Dorico, but other stuff got in the way and I've yet to return to it . . . .

My initial impressions are mentioned here: viewtopic.php?f=166&t=11145#p65966

I think the key to getting something sensible in the score requires extremely intelligent use of Quantisation to rationalise

the High definition that Midi affords.

As Human players we play our Music such that it "feels" right - so "roughly" 4/4, and possibly a crochet=100

"most" of the Time.

Midi of course will see this, rind, pips and all, and write it as such on the score - which will be a nightmare to read back.

Most composers start out writing notes on a stave . . .

The GRIND aspect to score-writing is being truthful that what you just played on the keyboard is correctly represented

by the notes you have written. There can be different ways of writing the same thing . . . :confusion-confused:

ONE way WILL be the easiest to read back . . . so this in the one to choose . . .

PROOF of the Pudding is getting another player to read what you have written.

DOES it sound the same as what YOU played? If it does - then you have WON . . . .

Writing Score only really comes together with regular PRACTICE, as most will agree it's an arduous task,

it's really the last thing we want to be doing :roll:

Notation S/W comes to the rescue here, but still needs to be LEARNED, but pays back the effort by giving you

a beautifully neat result that make for easy reading by the players . . . ((i))

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Re: Writing sheet music with the Yamaha Montage

Unread post by Chummy » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:15 pm

I am savvy with notation softwares in general. I wonder if Dorico is even worth it being able to get Musescore for free !
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Unread post by Saul » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:12 pm

I have played around with MIDI guitar and the closest I got to something workable was the Fishman TriplePlay system which fits to any guitar and transmits MIDI wirelessly to any software you want. It was "ok" but like every other MIDI guitar device you need to adapt your playing quite a bit in order to avoid triggering unwanted notes.

What we need is some advanced Ai that can transcribe from audio in real time. Don't think that will be happening for a while yet :(

Dorico has a trial version so always worth giving it a go https://www.dorico.com/

If I remember correctly there were issues importing certain scores and I think Chris may have come across that himself?

Musescore looks like an interesting alternative. I had not heard of it before but then notation is not something I have really ever been involved in. It is free though so definitely worth a try.

Chummy if you do try Musescore can you report back and let us know how you get on with it?
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Re: Writing sheet music with the Yamaha Montage

Unread post by Chummy » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:23 pm

Yes of course I will. I am a bit busy in the next couple of days (moved an apartment, etc.) but when I will eventually get to it I will update for sure.
I Will be trying Musescore with the Montage as I don't feel like pirating Sibelius or paying heaps of cash for Dorico which has a lot of reported bugs :P

I think since the piano is a percussion instrument (like drums) it never had any problem with MIDI implementation. Electronic drum sets work really well too actually, I had a Roland V Drum set two years back. Not sure why nobody is pushing (AFAIK) for that smart AI solution or at least some really advanced MIDI guitar system that would feel like a real guitar and provide 100% accuracy. I mean, I am surprised because guitar is probably the most played instrument in the world, thus people coming out with solutions can make big buck.
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