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Two small glitches on my Montage 6

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Hi all,

Life is never perfect... Well, my new (for me) Montage 6 has two problems. First, the rotary encoder loses some steps. It is not too bad but of course not as it should be. Well, as it is out of warranty I will try to clean it and, if that fails, will look for a replacement. That is an small problem.

The second one has me more worried: the touch display repeats very easily the touches on it. I have tried different approaches on how to press, and the result is not good. My Genos in comparison is perfect, if perhaps a bit insensitive, but never repeats touches on it. I have calibrated it but that just modifies the location of the touches, not the sensitivity.

I wonder if this is a usual behaviour or there is a problem on my unit or perhaps it could be modified in some way.

Regards,

Jose


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Re: Two small glitches on my Montage 6

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As I have got no answers to my post (a very uncommon thing on this Forum), I guess my question should be put on another perspective.

I have been doing more tests of the touch panel. And I would like to know, from Montage users, if approaching the finger slowly to the display and touching it softly generates in some cases 'double clicks'. I have seen that touching the panel faster and somewhat harder helps to prevent most of the 'double clicks' but for me it is not the way to use the touch display.

The problem I am facing is lots better explained here:

https://yamahasynth.com/ask-a-question/ ... -de-bounce

Please, if you have some time, take a look and let me know your thoughts.

Thanks!

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Re: Two small glitches on my Montage 6

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I have gone a step further and have created a new Idea about debouncing by software on YAMAHA Synth Ideascale:

https://yamahasynth.ideascale.com/a/dtd ... 0570-45978

Please, take a look and upvote if you think it is a good idea. It seems the problem could happen on newer units also, so it would be great if YAMAHA adds some code to prevent it.

Jose
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Re: Two small glitches on my Montage 6

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I had that rotary knob problem on a brand new MODX6.

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Re: Two small glitches on my Montage 6

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Fleer wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:37 am
I had that rotary knob problem on a brand new MODX6.

And which was the solution?. Complete unit replacement?. Encoder replacement?
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Re: Two small glitches on my Montage 6

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Sorry, didn’t see your post until now.
I took the unit back and got a Vox Continental instead, as I wasn’t happy with the MODX keys either.
Will wait until the next MODX installment.

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Re: Two small glitches on my Montage 6

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Fleer wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:24 am
Sorry, didn’t see your post until now.
I took the unit back and got a Vox Continental instead, as I wasn’t happy with the MODX keys either.
Will wait until the next MODX installment.
OK, no problem with the delay. Well, I got the Montage 6 used instead of a MODX 7 because I didn't want a lesser keybed than my Genos. I am happy with the Montage, wish it was a 76 keyys unit, but buying used you can't always get what you wish at the price you want to pay. Finally the seller refunded me 100 EUR for the display problem, so I have that money saved to fund part of the replacement of the full display assembly, if I finally go that way. So far, I am working with the unit as-is. Once you get used to some double-clicks from time to time, it is not that bad, taking into account this unit is used only on my studio. But I hope Yamaha fixes it by software, I am sure it is an easy fix.

As we are very close to it, Happy New Year to all! :dance:

Jose
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Re: Two small glitches on my Montage 6

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I thought there was a setting for touch sensitivity on the display not just the calibration of positioning? I seem to remember it was there on the MODX. I don't have access to the keyboard at the moment and perhaps I am mixing it with something else but I am sure it was there :think:
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Re: Two small glitches on my Montage 6

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Saul wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:39 am
I thought there was a setting for touch sensitivity on the display not just the calibration of positioning? I seem to remember it was there on the MODX. I don't have access to the keyboard at the moment and perhaps I am mixing it with something else but I am sure it was there :think:
Will check and get back with any info, thanks!

Jose
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