Piano Lab Comparison of Montage Pianos

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Piano Lab Comparison of Montage Pianos

Unread post by vertig0spin » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:47 pm

I came across Piano Lab's YouTube channel, which compares a variety of different pianos that are available as libraries on the Montage/MODX. I noticed some of the pianos sounded terrible and almost fake at a certain point where there was fast scales going down. The notes on these piano libraries I am referring to, sound partly staccato when they should sound more even/smooth and definitely not any staccato. In contrast, other pianos sound really great and Piano Lab provides a good variety in the songs played for a reasonable comparison. I thought it was worth sharing and to find out what others hear/think.

Here is the link to Piano Lab's YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLTcNM ... yyQqhr1r1w


At around the 7:52 mark, you can hear the difference with these ones below.

The first one "Digital Sound Factory Steinway Model L" is by far the worst IMHO.
- Digital Sound Factory Steinway Model L
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAq_ANj ... Q2fFL2UU0A

This next one "K-Sounds Steinway Model D" is not near as bad as the "Digital Sound Factory Steinway Model L", but has a bit of subtle staccato and is not as smooth as it should be.
- K-Sounds Steinway Model D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTskKg ... TjzFpJTReE

- Synthogy Steinway Model D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxbR1VA ... u6EzrIbqJ8

- K-Sounds Epic Grand Yamaha C7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVA1lbE ... w8OwghIucW

- Yamaha Montage Bosendorfer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16qtNA2 ... MLJxueeSKd

- Yamaha Montage CFX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2wF-4N ... Oz93txu-an


The Montage CFX & Bosendorfer are possibly the most even/smoothest of the bunch, although the Synthogy Steinway Model D & K-Sounds Epic Grand Yamaha C7 also sound great as well...

Listen for yourself and see what you think!
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Re: Piano Lab Comparison of Montage Pianos

Unread post by anotherscott » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:39 pm

Putting this in context of your experience that the Yamaha pianos play differently from the Montage and MODX, it may be worth keeping in mind that these are playing a MIDI file. So while they give you an idea of the general characteristics of the various piano sounds, they do not necessarily represent what will come out of your fingers to your ears when you play these sounds on a given keyboard (be it Montage or MODX).
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Re: Piano Lab Comparison of Montage Pianos

Unread post by Saul » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:50 pm

I would also add in another caveat that it really depends on the gear you are listening to these videos through. Perhaps this is why one piano sounds great to one person and another will say it is thin and weak?

If I am listening through some cheap monitors and you are listening through some super hi level audio gear there will be a difference in what we both hear from the same piano video.
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Re: Piano Lab Comparison of Montage Pianos

Unread post by vertig0spin » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:13 pm

anotherscott wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:39 pm
Putting this in context of your experience that the Yamaha pianos play differently from the Montage and MODX, it may be worth keeping in mind that these are playing a MIDI file. So while they give you an idea of the general characteristics of the various piano sounds, they do not necessarily represent what will come out of your fingers to your ears when you play these sounds on a given keyboard (be it Montage or MODX).
That's what I like about these comparisons ... they are fair because they are all running via a MIDI file.

Yes, they would likely sound differently when played by different players and on different keyboards, but I think they give at least a good general idea of what the different pianos sound like. One of the things that this specific MIDI file shows though, specifically around the 7:52 mark, is the differences in how they were sampled to begin with. Could you hear that staccato-like sound I mentioned, at least in the first two?
No matter how good the tonal sound is of the pianos, if the attack is sampled incorrectly such that a MIDI file will play most other pianos similar or the same, but not sound right on a certain piano, then that is a good indication that it won't sound or feel real when you play it yourself on a Montage or MODX. I think doing it via MIDI files reveals a flaw in a few of the pianos, which may not be as easily noticeable if you are playing it on a keyboard and not via a MIDI file, and if someone doesn't do a fast scale from high to low notes, they may not notice the flaw right away.
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Re: Piano Lab Comparison of Montage Pianos

Unread post by vertig0spin » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:19 pm

Saul wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:50 pm
I would also add in another caveat that it really depends on the gear you are listening to these videos through. Perhaps this is why one piano sounds great to one person and another will say it is thin and weak?

If I am listening through some cheap monitors and you are listening through some super hi level audio gear there will be a difference in what we both hear from the same piano video.
True. Just to be certain i listened to the ones I listed at around the 7:52 mark where the MIDI file plays a fast scale from high to low, through cheap ear buds and then good quality speakers. Both revealed the same staccato-like flaw in the first two pianos.
I think the videos at least give a good general idea of the differences before you decide to buy, especially if you listen to them through different speakers.
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Re: Piano Lab Comparison of Montage Pianos

Unread post by vertig0spin » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:19 pm

Upon closer listening on different quality speakers, alhtough the K-Sounds Epic Grand is better than many of the other pianos, it still however has just a subtle 'touch' of that staccato-like flaw that i am hearing in basically all the other piano libraries, with the exception of the Montage CFX, Montage Bosendorfer and the Synthogy Steinway Model D! Those 3 pianos appear to be sampled perfectly...

That's just another reason I wish that Synthogy would release their C7 Grand in Montage library format, besides the fact it is my favorite virtual piano!
Second to that one is Native Instruments Bechstein Grand! Of course, I have not actually tried the Montage Bosendorfer yet and much of the demos I hear sound awesome, so it could be a contender...at least against the Bechstein IMHO!
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Re: Piano Lab Comparison of Montage Pianos

Unread post by pologuy » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:48 pm

Listen to the Ravenscroft 275 VST and tell me what you think! ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kV4__tns0Q
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Re: Piano Lab Comparison of Montage Pianos

Unread post by vertig0spin » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:09 am

pologuy wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:48 pm
Listen to the Ravenscroft 275 VST and tell me what you think! ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kV4__tns0Q
Nice sounding Piano. Is that a VST or built into the keyboard?
Hard to say how it would sound regarding the staccato-like scaling issue I mentioned, but if it's a fairly high quality VST, it likely will do the job just fine. What kind of acoustic grand was that sampled from?
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Re: Piano Lab Comparison of Montage Pianos

Unread post by pologuy » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:44 am

vertig0spin wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:09 am
pologuy wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:48 pm
Listen to the Ravenscroft 275 VST and tell me what you think! ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kV4__tns0Q
Nice sounding Piano. Is that a VST or built into the keyboard?
Hard to say how it would sound regarding the staccato-like scaling issue I mentioned, but if it's a fairly high quality VST, it likely will do the job just fine. What kind of acoustic grand was that sampled from?
That is the VI Labs Ravenscroft 275.

It is a VST - arguably the best one out there.

The piano is the Ravenscroft 275.

https://www.vilabsaudio.com/Ravenscroft-By-VI-Labs
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