NAMM 2017 Yamaha MONTAGE Firmware Update to Version 1.5

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NAMM 2017 Yamaha MONTAGE Firmware Update to Version 1.5

Unread post by Saul » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:01 pm

It’s been a year since we unleashed MONTAGE onto the World! We’re now pleased to announce a new firmware update – version 1.5 containing some exciting new features….

52 new Performances have been added, which are stylistically mixed and show the Motion Control Synthesis Engine very well.
5 new Effects, including a new enhanced Rotary Effect.
Performances can now also be assigned to a Favorite Category
New display-options in the GUI additionally increase the overview.
Super Knob and Assignable Knobs can now also be “un-linked” from one another
Scenes can be changed via MIDI Control Change events
The entire memory of the MONTAGE can be saved in a single ALL file as a perfect backup means.

A thorough explanation of the update can be found in the latest Music Production Guide.

The 1.5 download should be available at some point today but the link Yamaha provided didn't work. They also provided a link to the Music Production Guide but that also didn't work. Will update later unless someone else finds those links first?

(apparently this update won't be released until next month)
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Re: NAMM 2017 Yamaha MONTAGE Firmware Update to Version 1.5

Unread post by Moessieurs » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:37 am

Hello.
OS 1.50 firmware will be available on february 6.

I have made a 32 minutes video if you want to discovering most of new features, video is in French, subtitle in English :

https://youtu.be/to-okoHtkQg

And two others with a panel of new performances :

Organ performances :

https://youtu.be/V-wGLHibJXo

Others performances

https://youtu.be/9CgenFMjgo8
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Re: NAMM 2017 Yamaha MONTAGE Firmware Update to Version 1.5

Unread post by Saul » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:51 pm

I also have the 1.50 update installed. So far it seems ok but not sure it will be enough for some who might be considering a Montage as their next keyboard or additional keyboard.

I think the real issue for many is the lack of more synth engines and the ability to "merge" them. Whilst the Montage does sound really good, the two synth engines are separate. You can mix/layer them for sure but your not actually "combining" elements of FM-X and AWM2 into one sound and it's this freedom of sound creation potential that many people are looking for.

I suppose Yamaha would argue that you can take an FM-X sound and a AWM2 sound and layer/mix them so in effect it gives the same result but actually it doesn't. It's the same as layering any sound.
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Re: NAMM 2017 Yamaha MONTAGE Firmware Update to Version 1.5

Unread post by Moessieurs » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:11 pm

Hello, i understand you point of view, but FM is working thru algorithm, if you "mix" AWM2 and FM' to one part with the 8 elements (oscillators) the algorithm were missing.

It will be more evident to done with AN of course were an analog oscilator can be a element of a part, but there is no AN in the Montage.
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Re: NAMM 2017 Yamaha MONTAGE Firmware Update to Version 1.5

Unread post by Saul » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:44 pm

Ahh but there was "supposed" to be VA in Montage. When we went to the consultation meeting with Yamaha, way back before the Montage appeared and they were looking for input on what their next synth should be, they did say there would be two or more synth engines and one of them would likely be VA so when Montage appeared with just the AWM2 and FM-X a lot of people were initially quite disappointed. After all we have had the SY77/SY99 which combined FM and AWM and of course the EX5 which managed four synth engines. Then their is Korg's Kronos with it's 9 synth engines onboard. Montage then comes to the market with just the AWM2 and FM-X and at a premium point and no ability to add any more sound engines into the mix?

Now I do like Montage. It's an excellent keyboard but I think the price is too high for what is on offer. The Korg Kronos 2-73 for example is not only cheaper than a Montage 7 but is vastly more powerful and infinitely more versatile.
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Re: NAMM 2017 Yamaha MONTAGE Firmware Update to Version 1.5

Unread post by Moessieurs » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:02 pm

Of course, if someone from Yamaha told you that there will be several engine on Montage at the release with one VA, you're in right to be disappointed.

The first time we talk with Yamaha France about Montage was in may 2015 when i discovering in preview the Reface Series.

We talk about two engine inside, one AWM2 with a large improvement of quality and size, one FM with improvement from DX7, so i wasn't disappointed when it will be announced at 2016 winter Namm and when i test it in April 2016 with Yamaha Europe at Berlin.

I had a Knonos and keep it one and half year, good workstation but is wasn't in taste with he's several engines.

Piano : i will never use them on stage, i prefer the Ksounds piano bank in my XF.
EP, great yes i agree.
HD for general and acoustic sounds, not so much good than XF or Integra 7 for me.
VA great sounds, but not in taste for me to program specially the patch for FM was horrible for me (i'm too much in the Dx line with algorithm and operators).
Str too much complicated for me.

Finally, i have sale it and take a mininova for VA, very useful and quick access to program and a micro X to have generalist Korg sounds.

Today, with Montage 7, i keep XF8 used as master keyboard with he's 8 zone, the Reface CP cause it is my preferred for EP sounds.

I have sale the mininova some month ago, i tweak FM-X and AWM2 for synths sounds, enough good for me, i decided to sale the Korg Micro X and Roland Integra 7 this week, i don't use them at all.

All i need is on Montage and Reface CP, i do not load Ksounds piano sounds on Montage, CXF and Bösendorfer the best for me.

Yes the price is more expensive than the Kronos, less engine but more much quality on sounds to my taste and i prefer quality than quantity.

The management of controllers is more deep and more useful for me on Montage.

Of course, all i write here is for my taste, we have all ours ;)


At what time do you meet Yamaha UK and someone talk to you about VA in Montage ?
I know about EX synth, several engine but slow to work with it, of course it was another time and now processors have more power, if a VA can be add later on Montage i will be happy with it, i will have the PLG AN/VL/DX on my Motif ES from 2004 to 2007 and it was great, at this time i use Montage like it is and it cover all i need.

Great that you have the OS 1.50 in preview, i work with 1.29 to 1.50 since end of december and it's a very great workflow improvement.
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Re: NAMM 2017 Yamaha MONTAGE Firmware Update to Version 1.5

Unread post by Saul » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:29 pm

We had the meeting with Yamaha UK at the same time as you met Yamaha France. I think they were holding these meetings across all territories back then.

I went along with Chris (Parametric) to Yamaha's R&D facility in Hammersmith, London where we met up with Chris Irvine and Shinichi Ito and spent around 90 minutes discussing what people would want from a new Yamaha keyboard. Although at the time we understood that we were discussing a replacement for the MOXF because they said they wanted to keep the price down to around £1000.

As a long time Korg fan of course I would say I like the sounds of the Kronos and don't think the Montage sounds better or worse however as you say it IS a personal preference. We all hear things slightly differently and there is a great variety in how we prefer once sound over another. I was VERY happy to see the Bösendorfer 290 Imperial Grand appear on Montage though. I am a massive Bösendorfer fan and it's something I have been asking for at every opportunity.

Like you I also like the Reface CP. Yamaha sent me all four reface models when they were launched and even though I still think they are overpriced, the Reface CP is something I would buy. It's a lot of fun in a small form factor and I played that the most out of the four models.

IF I had the money...which I don't but IF I did and I were looking at purchasing the Montage or Kronos, I would definitely take the Kronos. I actually like the way it sounds and I particularly like it's longevity. It already has all the synth engines so everything else can be done via software updates. If Yamaha were going to add another engine the Montage it would require new hardware so I don't think it is something we will see for quite some time if ever.
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Re: NAMM 2017 Yamaha MONTAGE Firmware Update to Version 1.5

Unread post by AJay » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:58 pm

Saul wrote:Ahh but there was "supposed" to be VA in Montage. When we went to the consultation meeting with Yamaha, way back before the Montage appeared and they were looking for input on what their next synth should be, they did say there would be two or more synth engines and one of them would likely be VA so when Montage appeared with just the AWM2 and FM-X a lot of people were initially quite disappointed. After all we have had the SY77/SY99 which combined FM and AWM and of course the EX5 which managed four synth engines. Then their is Korg's Kronos with it's 9 synth engines onboard. Montage then comes to the market with just the AWM2 and FM-X and at a premium point and no ability to add any more sound engines into the mix?

Now I do like Montage. It's an excellent keyboard but I think the price is too high for what is on offer. The Korg Kronos 2-73 for example is not only cheaper than a Montage 7 but is vastly more powerful and infinitely more versatile.
Montage had been in development for some time so I doubt they were talking about it back then. The 77/99 doesn't really combine AWM & FM, loosely linked would be a better description. There's only certain things that can be done with it as it's far from fully integrated.

As I've said before, Kronos doesn't have 9 engines at all. It has a PC inside running custom Korg software on Linux. Yamaha could provide the same by shipping Montage with a software package to install on a PC plugged into its USB port. IIRC they already did this with later Motif/Mo, which included a Steinberg VA. Whether or not they'll do this remains to be seen and a Montage OS update would be required to support it directly.

I do agree that Montage is high in the price department for what's on offer though. It really needs a huge improvement in the onboard software department.
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Re: NAMM 2017 Yamaha MONTAGE Firmware Update to Version 1.5

Unread post by Derek » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:39 pm

AJay wrote:
As I've said before, Kronos doesn't have 9 engines at all. It has a PC inside running custom Korg software on Linux. Yamaha could provide the same by shipping Montage with a software package to install on a PC plugged into its USB port. IIRC they already did this with later Motif/Mo, which included a Steinberg VA. Whether or not they'll do this remains to be seen and a Montage OS update would be required to support it directly.
It depends on how you define what a sound engine is. Is a VST synth a sound engine? Is the DSP code in an AN1x a sound engine? To me a sound engine engine is a modular way of making sound irrespective of how it is implemented. The Kronos Linux based OS and hardware is the platform on which to run the sound engines that Korg have implemented all in an integrated package.

Likewise Montage has two (probably) DSP based sound engines and the EX5 had three (four if you count FDSP).
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Re: NAMM 2017 Yamaha MONTAGE Firmware Update to Version 1.5

Unread post by Moessieurs » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:46 pm

I meet also Shinichi Ito to Berlin, but not talk to him, he was really busy, we have exchange by mail this year for technical points.

That Yamaha ask what users want is not surprising, i'm just surprive that someone told you that a VA engine will be onboard.
Strange cause the development was advanced on may 2015 for sounds on board.

When i see the 4 Reface, i was asking, were is the VL, but there is no VL, i will like to see it come back, take a lot of fun with the plg VL on my old Motif ES ;)
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Re: NAMM 2017 Yamaha MONTAGE Firmware Update to Version 1.5

Unread post by Saul » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:41 pm

They didn't say it "would" have a VA engine, they said it would have at least two synth engines one of which might be VA. Now whether that would have been more useful/interesting than FM-X I don't know? However what is kind puzzling is the price point they were talking about and they were using the MOXF as a reference when discussing whether to keep all the buttons and controls or not.

It was really a repetition of my discussions a few years ago when I was told they were working on a replacement for the XF and then a few months later denied any knowledge of such a thing. When Montage was released and I mentioned discussions about replacing the MOXF, they again denied any knowledge of a replacement. So if they are true to form I would bet they have been working on the MOXF replacement for some time and we will perhaps see something at MusikMesse or maybe later in the year?
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