Montage - how's the sound...?

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Re: Montage - how's the sound...?

Unread post by Derek » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:10 am

Well, Korg have been pretty active on it, more so than Yamaha. Only two of the nine (only nine!) engines in the Kronos are sample based, the rest are modelled. You then have the modelled recreations of their classics in various forms (computer, ipad and boutique). Roland are at it as well. It is now Yamaha that is behind the curve. But as I said when I purchased the Montage, I do not care so much now when you have VSTis like DIVA. I have just received all of the components to build my VSTi PC. So will report back on that once done and setup.
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Re: Montage - how's the sound...?

Unread post by Monte » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:31 am

I agree Derek.
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Unread post by Saul » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:35 am

I think most of us were in agreement at the time Kronos came out that KORG were not doing anything groundbreaking in the synthesis/modelling department. What they did do very well was bring all that tech together in one keyboard and make it work smoothly and at exactly the right time. No one else had anything to match it.

There is no doubt in my mind that Yamaha does things like acoustic guitar better than anyone but that's not to say that Roland and Korg are particularly bad at it. It's just a different sound and different approach. I would prefer Yamaha in that department but others might like Korg or Roland.
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Re: Montage - how's the sound...?

Unread post by Derek » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:24 pm

Monte wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:31 am
Derek wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:10 am
Well, Korg have been pretty active on it, more so than Yamaha. Only two of the nine (only nine!) engines in the Kronos are sample based, the rest are modelled. You then have the modelled recreations of their classics in various forms (computer, ipad and boutique). Roland are at it as well. It is now Yamaha that is behind the curve. But as I said when I purchased the Montage, I do not care so much now when you have VSTis like DIVA. I have just received all of the components to build my VSTi PC. So will report back on that once done and setup.
I agree Derek. but some of the engines in the Kronos are laughable. the STR-1 string modeling sound is ridiculous. It's unbelievable that the Kronos doesn't have one single legit guitar tone. The STR-1 engine sounds exactly the same as at the time it was first developed for the Prophecy / Z1. so no advancement at all on that end from Korg.
I quite like STR-1 for what it does, and if I want a guitar sound I play my guitar! ;)
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Re: Montage - how's the sound...?

Unread post by Monte » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:23 pm

Combi mode is the way to unleash the Kronos, combining the different forms of synthesis.
Still it bothered me that the Kronos doesn't have a single usable Clavinet sound, or guitar sound, funky brass sounds, saxophones, or the orchestral patches that sound the way they do (90s rompler kind of). It makes you need to buy all those paid libraries, which are licensed to the keyboard itself and not the user - that's right, if you ever replace that Kronos with another you have nothing.
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Unread post by Derek » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:26 am

I guess I’m not bothered by any of those “omissions” as they don’t feature in my music. :)

You are correct about the way EXS libraries are tied to the Kronos, but if ever I sell I will price the sale accordingly to cover the excellent libraries that I decided were worth living with that restriction.
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Unread post by Saul » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:32 am

I may have missed something but what is this about EXS Libraries being tied to Kronos? Didn't you pay for them? Are you just "renting" them?
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Unread post by Derek » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:12 am

The Kronos EXS Libraries are authorised for your specific Kronos, which has a UUID. The issue then which has put a lot of people off purchasing EXS libraries is if you purchase another Kronos, you cannot transfer the new files to them, which is pretty crazy. Korg, to the best of my knowledge (but I have never needed to test it) has no process for transferring EXS licenses to another Kronos, which is a bit daft.

I recognise the need to avoid piracy of paid for sounds, so appreciate the need to do something, but to not be able to transfer libraries via a controlled process where you de-authorise on one Kronos and re-authorise on another is a bit stone age.

I did weigh up long and hard whether to purchase any EXS libraries as a result of this. But in the end I went with purchasing some because they sound fantastic, and I have no plans to sell the Kronos anytime soon. If I ever do come to sell, if it is a later generation Kronos, I will challenge the position with Korg, and if they stay firm on it, then I will just include the EXS libraries in the sale price of my Kronos and repurchase.

KRS libraries do not have the same issues.
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Re: Montage - how's the sound...?

Unread post by Saul » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:30 am

I think this is one for the "don't get me started" category! Nothing winds me up more than crap like this.

Of course we all understand the need to protect their products but this is NOT the way to do it! If I ever owned a Kronos there is no way in hell I would pay for libraries I could not keep and use again at a later date.

This smacks of laziness on the part of KORG and/or whoever produces the sound libraries. They "could" come up with a system...like many others have with many other products, to transfer licenses from one Kronos to another and in fact given the platform on which Kronos is based I really cannot see any excuse for not doing so.

Does this happen with any other sound libraries I wonder? Do Keyfax lock their sounds to Motif? Are new sounds for Montage locked to that keyboard?
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Re: Montage - how's the sound...?

Unread post by Derek » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:03 pm

Yup, it annoys a lot of people. You have the democratic right not to purchase of course if you don't like the licensing. As I said, I am not keen on it, but for some libraries I got swayed by the sounds. I will not lose out as if I cannot transfer, they will be priced into the sale - that is if I ever sold the Kronos.
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