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Montage - how's the sound...?

Unread post by pologuy » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:41 pm

I have been interested in the Montage ever since it came out a year and a half ago...

After extensive research - I just figured that it was much more keyboard/synth than I needed or would ever use (so looked to the MOXF - but didn't really care for its build quality, etc.).

I am, however, looking at the Montage again.

The comments I keep hearing from people (albeit not all) is that the Montage has a cold, lifeless, sound - and that sound really effects its pianos.

Do those of you who have auditioned the Montage feel that this assessment is "accurate"...?
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Re: Montage - cold, lifeless, sound...?

Unread post by parametric » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:21 pm

Can't say I agree about the Sounds. Quality of the sounds has never been an issue with Yamaha (IMO)

Saul and I attended an "Artists Day" at Yamaha here in the UK shortly after the release date. I tried the Montage7 IIRC.

Primarily being a Piano Player - I took notice of what was on offer and was happy with what I heard . . .

The montage's strengths are as a PERFORMANCE instrument - which should be remembered - it's not just a Synth

The keybed was fine, though not IMO quite as nice as My Alesis Fusion 8HD - but then that's probably down to

sheer familiarity with the Fusion, AND the fact that its a fully weighted Piano Action keybed . . .

As regards the MOXF, again, IMO the Sounds are superb - and why wouldn't they be, many coming from the Motif . .?

Yes, it's a plastic construction, but seems robust despite, and of course, being light, is easy to move . .

(My Fusion 8HD is 25Kg + an aluminium flight case.)

In truth, I'd probably favour the MOXF8 BETTER - but that's just a personal thing . . . I like to have ALL the notes . . . .

At present, the MOXF represents great value IMO for what it offers . . .

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Re: Montage - cold, lifeless, sound...?

Unread post by pologuy » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:09 pm

parametric wrote:
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Can't say I agree about the Sounds. Quality of the sounds has never been an issue with Yamaha (IMO)

Saul and I attended an "Artists Day" at Yamaha here in the UK shortly after the release date. I tried the Montage7 IIRC.

Primarily being a Piano Player - I took notice of what was on offer and was happy with what I heard . . .

The montage's strengths are as a PERFORMANCE instrument - which should be remembered - it's not just a Synth

The keybed was fine, though not IMO quite as nice as My Alesis Fusion 8HD - but then that's probably down to

sheer familiarity with the Fusion, AND the fact that its a fully weighted Piano Action keybed . . .

As regards the MOXF, again, IMO the Sounds are superb - and why wouldn't they be, many coming from the Motif . .?

Yes, it's a plastic construction, but seems robust despite, and of course, being light, is easy to move . .

(My Fusion 8HD is 25Kg + an aluminium flight case.)

In truth, I'd probably favour the MOXF8 BETTER - but that's just a personal thing . . . I like to have ALL the notes . . . .

At present, the MOXF represents great value IMO for what it offers . . .

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Thanks parametric!

Your reply and input is GREATLY appreciated.

Can you explain a little more what you meant when you said "In truth, I'd probably favour the MOXF8 BETTER"...?

Did you mean better than the Montage - or the Alesis?

I think I am at the point right now of either getting the Montage 8 - or waiting for the new MOXF (if it is announced in January - which doesn't look too promising right now...)

Like I said - the Montage is more instrument that I will need - but its build quality (metal chassis/top, higher quality knobs/buttons, real power supply/cord, etc.) and better keyboard action - is leaps above the MOXF and most probably any new replacement.

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Re: Montage - cold, lifeless, sound...?

Unread post by Derek » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:03 pm

I have a Montage 7 and I would not call it cold and lifeless. I must confess I have not gotten anywhere near its piano sounds as (shock horror) I am not terribly interested in Piano in my own music. I haven't even auditioned the piano sounds (but doubt they would better the unlooped SSD streamed sampled piano of the Kronos).

As an FM synth it can sound like FM synths do, sometimes a little cool or had, but put the FM through the filter like you do in an SY77 and it really comes to life. The AWM sounds have got bags of character in them, and (like the SY77) can sound very analog.

Views like this are always subjective of course as what one man likes, another man will hate. Best bet is to get to a store to audition one. I did a four hour round trip to do that, and ended up coming home with the Montage.

My thread on purchasing the Montage with some debate on it is here

http://www.yamahamusicians.com/forum/vi ... 129&t=9732
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Re: Montage - cold, lifeless, sound...?

Unread post by parametric » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:24 am

pologuy wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:09 pm

Thanks parametric!

Your reply and input is GREATLY appreciated.

Can you explain a little more what you meant when you said "In truth, I'd probably favour the MOXF8 BETTER"...?

Did you mean better than the Montage - or the Alesis?

I think I am at the point right now of either getting the Montage 8 - or waiting for the new MOXF (if it is announced in January - which doesn't look too promising right now...)

Like I said - the Montage is more instrument that I will need - but its build quality (metal chassis/top, higher quality knobs/buttons, real power supply/cord, etc.) and better keyboard action - is leaps above the MOXF and most probably any new replacement.

Thanks!
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Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:21 pm
In truth, I'd probably favour the MOXF8 BETTER -

Sorry, I didn't explain it well :roll:

All I really meant was that I'd prefer a MOXF8 - rather than the MOXF6 that I already own . . . .

I believe that they are identical except for the action-type - the 8 has i believe what Yamaha call a Semi-weighted Piano action, whereas the 6 is more of a synth action.

The MOXF8 would be MUCH lighter than my Fusion 8HD - which is significant if you are moving it around (which I don't).

If I ever need to "visit" with the Fusion, I take the 6HD which is "manageable" 8)

As you may have seen in another thread, The Montage found favour with Josh Philips of Procul Harum . .

I met him at the Artists Day - when I heard strains of "Whiter Shade of Pale" emanating from the Montage.

In another "guise" - I did a gig with Procul Harum with the English Chamber Choir last year - at the Royal Festival Hall, London, and Josh told me he was delighted with the Montage as a performance Synth, although it does NOT replace the Hammond that's such a signature sound of Procul Harum . . . . . .
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Re: Montage - cold, lifeless, sound...?

Unread post by Derek » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:08 am

Yes. If you want a Hammond sound you either want the real deal or something that Models it, like the XK3 above, the Kronos CX-3 engine or a modelling VST like VB3. There are too many nuances in the sound for static samples to carry it.
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Re: Montage - cold, lifeless, sound...?

Unread post by Derek » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:05 pm

Try checking out the demos here to see if you still think it remains cold!

http://www.yamahamusicians.com/forum/vi ... 129&t=9987

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Re: Montage - cold, lifeless, sound...?

Unread post by pologuy » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:25 pm

Derek wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:05 pm
Try checking out the demos here to see if you still think it remains cold!

http://www.yamahamusicians.com/forum/vi ... 129&t=9987

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LOL, yeah, I already saw those... they are quite good.

Anyone know how he made the 64 velocity layer CFX and 64 velocity layer Bösendorfer voices...?
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Re: Montage - cold, lifeless, sound...?

Unread post by Monte » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:39 pm

Lifeless? Cold? just go hear it for yourself and play one. I really don't understand the purpose of such posts when there are so many online demos and the availability of the instrument in stores.

Anyhow, nothing cold and lifeless about it. Was the Motif XF cold and lifeless? because it has everything that had, and then some.

Regarding the 64 velocity layer performances - I think you got your answer in the other forum already. not sure what can be added...

to finish the CFX piano to 64 layers (63 layers and key off actually) a lot of work on the Elements and velocirtés, a little more clarity rather the original Montage performance but take care with the sustain pedal using, I put flat polyphony with this performance, so 64 layers is good but on condition of not having to commit too regularly sustain, you are warned.
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Re: Montage - cold, lifeless, sound...?

Unread post by pologuy » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:52 pm

Monte wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:39 pm
Lifeless? Cold? just go hear it for yourself and play one. I really don't understand the purpose of such posts when there are so many online demos and the availability of the instrument in stores.
I stated that some are saying that it is cold and lifeless - if you read the YouTube comments - this comes up more than a few times - by people who have actually auditioned the Montage, etc...

I never said it was my opinion - as I have no educated opinion regarding the Montage as I have never even seen one in person - let alone play one.

There is no place within 150 miles of me that actually has a Montage on display - and I am not sure if there are any within a reasonable driving distance over 150 miles away.
Monte wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:39 pm
Regarding the 64 velocity layer performances - I think you got your answer in the other forum already. not sure what can be added...

to finish the CFX piano to 64 layers (63 layers and key off actually) a lot of work on the Elements and velocirtés, a little more clarity rather the original Montage performance but take care with the sustain pedal using, I put flat polyphony with this performance, so 64 layers is good but on condition of not having to commit too regularly sustain, you are warned.
And with all due respect - I have no idea what that even means...
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Unread post by Derek » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:17 am

Monte wrote:
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Lifeless? Cold? just go hear it for yourself and play one. I really don't understand the purpose of such posts when there are so many online demos and the availability of the instrument in stores.
Hi. The purpose of the post was to seek people's opinions, which is why we have forums like this! Please respect the right of people to ask questions if they have them. Questioning people's reason for posting adds no value and has the potential to offend.

It is not always easy to get a live demo, depending on where you live. Like the original poster, my nearest store was about 150 miles away, so I had to make a five hour round trip to demo the Montage.

Ps. If I get time on the weekend, I'll record a short Montage sound clip and post.
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Re: Montage - cold, lifeless, sound...?

Unread post by Monte » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:07 am

Derek wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:17 am
Please respect the right of people to ask questions if they have them. Questioning people's reason for posting adds no value and has the potential to offend.
Thanks for the lecture man! still this is my opinion about it. there are literally 100s of demonstrations for this unit online! I had the idea of coming here and contribute a bit because the Montage forum was so sleepy. but instead of something nice to hear about any of the other posts or informations I posted its just a slap in the face. feels wrong.
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Unread post by Derek » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:57 am

Hi, I simply asked you to respect the OP's original question, which you seemed to take issue with in a manner, in my opinion, that could cause offence. That is hardly a slap in the face, just a simple request to consider posting style so that this remains a a friendly forum. :)
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Unread post by parametric » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:29 pm

C'mon guys - lets keep it nice in here.

A simple "IMO" easily separates "opinions" from "verities", and keeps it sweet . . .

No one is (probably :wink: ) more opinionated than I, especially when it concerns the gear we love (or love to hate :lol: )

We all have opinions about this stuff, and its GOOD to air them in front of like-minded souls who generally

know/and are interested in - the point you are making . . .

As to the issue of trying out a new board - I agree. Its arduous to have to drive long distances to be able to get a "hands on".

Nobody (IMO) should ever buy a board WITHOUT playing it first - UNLESS (for whatever reason) you are replacing Like-for-Like

And even then? . . . . . . . . ?

Given the fact that Music Shops are closing down all around us, the growth of online shopping has done us no favours

in this respect.

It COSTS to heat, light and STAFF a shop - where you can TRY your object of desire - so they're never going to compete

on price, but the pre-sales and AFTER-sales service OUGHT to be worth the slightly higher price?

I STILL maintain that we NEED a replacement for the British Music Fair (as was) here in London (or wherever) - where

prospective buyers can TRY boards (+ guitars or whatever) from ALL Manufacturers - BEFORE making that significant purchase . . .

I used to visit EVERY YEAR . . . 'til it closed for good . . . . .

(I hope the majors are not believing that the ONLY people who want to buy their products are those who can

AFFORD to visit NAMM and MusicMesse? - THAT would be foolish surely?)

A local Music Shop here in Watford http://robertsonmusic.co.uk/- when I asked about Yamaha gear, stated

that the Dealership/Franchise arrangements were just too expensive for them to consider.

As regards Keyboards - they only seem to offer Rental . . . They DID have some used Digital Pianos,

Yamaha, Casio, Kawai and Gem however. . .

Like many others they are concentrating more and more on REPAIRS . . . . .

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