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Roland JV-1000 vs XP80 for sounds/compatibility

Unread post by Mighty Motif Max » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:13 pm

Hi everyone,

A few weeks ago I came across a JV-1000 in very good condition at a Music Go Round. I played a bit on it through headphones, and found that I really like the keybed and the following sounds: UI85 JV Rhodes, A13 A.Piano 3, A24 RD Rhodes 1 and A23 Pop Piano 2 (I think?). Also some of the "pluck" sounds and the JP Strings.

I know that the polyphony is only a maximum of 28, and that expanding it with a V-EXP board doesn't truly double the polyphony for single sounds, only for layers by duplicating the internal sound engine. So, I looked at the XP-80 since it has 64 voices. According to its data list, it has none of those sounds. I have read that you can add JV-1000/90/80 patches into the XP-series, but it looks like the only way to add the JV factory sounds is by single-patch sysex midi dump from the JV itself.

So I have three questions in essence:


1. If I bought an XP80, could I load those sounds that I mentioned in, even though I don't have a physical JV-1000?

2. Would I be losing anything in sound quality etc from the JV-1000 if I went with an XP-80?

3. Is around $330 for the JV-1000 a fair price?


A friend of mine has an XP-30 that he plays in a band with me, but I never liked the sound of it that much (granted, all he uses is a piano and string sound in mono). But I absolutely LOVED the sound of the JV-1000 I tried out. I would use the keyboard for sound design (synthetic) for some original music I am working on. I already have plenty of realistic sounds from my Motif and Krome. This would be for getting that 90s Roland soundset but mainly for modifying with the exception of those few sounds I mentioned.



Thank you!


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Re: Roland JV-1000 vs XP80 for sounds/compatibility

Unread post by Saul » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:13 pm

I am not familiar with the JV1000. The only early Roland keyboard I had was the XP50 which I loved. If I were looking for an XP again though it would probably be the XP80. Definitely not the XP30 which despite the name came out later and sounds much thinner in comparison to the earlier boards.

$300 seems to be about the going rate for the XV1000 at the moment. XP80's go for similar money so I guess it just depends on your own preferences.
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Re: Roland JV-1000 vs XP80 for sounds/compatibility

Unread post by Mighty Motif Max » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:57 am

Thanks. Most of the XP80s I have seen for sale in recent years are around $500 when you include shipping. I agree with you on the XP30, unless someone simply wanted a huge collection of sounds in one place and didn't necessarily care about the clarity as much. Funny you should mention the XP-50. I just ran across one of those last week at another Music Go Round. It had a serious white noise problem and the volume was not stable.
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Re: Roland JV-1000 vs XP80 for sounds/compatibility

Unread post by Saul » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:42 pm

Yeah I think the XP30 was all about packing a lot of sounds in there in order to compete with Korg and Yamaha. It isn't a bad keyboard it just doesn't sound as rich as previous incarnations.

Shame about that XP-50. They are great keyboards. As usual I regret selling mine which was in as new condition. Would definitely have another if price and timing were right. I would only buy one in the condition you describe if it was REALLY cheap as it may just turn into a "spares" type situation.

The XP-80 was probably more popular in the states than over here hence why prices are lower. They don't come up that often though unfortunately.
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Re: Roland JV-1000 vs XP80 for sounds/compatibility

Unread post by Mighty Motif Max » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:10 pm

And...


I bought it on Friday. $329.99 plus tax. It seems to be in very nice shape, everything seems to work. The presence slider does actually work and I can hear the difference. On some patches, I think it boosts the eqs a bit much, it introduces a bit of digital distortion to the sound if you put it to its max setting, but I'm guessing that has something to do with the headroom issue that some have mentioned about the JV series. Not an issue as long as I don't push the slider to its max. Might be my headphones too. I haven't hooked it up to the full system yet, just to the headphones, and my MSR100 speaker (with which I didn't notice anything). The previous guy definitely had an expansion board and some pcm/data cards installed. Some sounds in his user banks seem to require waveforms not in the machine, and the screws are a bit loose over the EXP board compartment.


Thank you for the help! This can be also backup midi keyboard in the event something goes out again (as my YS200 did).

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Re: Roland JV-1000 vs XP80 for sounds/compatibility

Unread post by Saul » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:27 pm

It's a really nice keyboard and the price is probably about right. Shame the expansions are not there. Perhaps the owner removed them to sell separately?
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Re: Roland JV-1000 vs XP80 for sounds/compatibility

Unread post by Mighty Motif Max » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:18 pm

Most likely. You can scalp on the prices of some of those, since the XP and some of the XV modules can also use the JV-80 boards. Whatever the PCM expansion was, he had a lot of orchestral sounds set to use waves from it. Tubular bells, clarinets, lots of strings. Strange he/she didn't do a factory reset though.


I believe that according to the manual, the JV-1000 had its main pianos redesigned around the SR-JV80-03 piano board waves. Which in that case would seem to mean that there would be no point in getting the piano boards.
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Re: Roland JV-1000 vs XP80 for sounds/compatibility

Unread post by Saul » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:28 pm

Sounds like you are ok for pianos then ;)

How about the keys, what is the action like? I'm wondering if it is like the XP50/80?
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Re: Roland JV-1000 vs XP80 for sounds/compatibility

Unread post by Mighty Motif Max » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:03 pm

Saul wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:28 pm
Sounds like you are ok for pianos then ;)

How about the keys, what is the action like? I'm wondering if it is like the XP50/80?
Not having played an XP-80, I can't comment on that. I only played an xp50 once. I would say the feel is similar. I prefer the JV-1000 out of the two. It seems to have a bit more "weight" to it. Very different from my Krome. The closest thing I can compare it to would be the keybeds of some of the older church organs. Semi-weighted, but great for piano. Much better than the synth-action/semi-weighted action on any of my other keyboards. It has almost a "buttery" feel to it. It is a bit noisy, but not more than say my Krome. It's a different sound, being that the casing on the JV is metal vs plastic on the Krome. Glissandos feel a little "loose" I would say, actually.

Again, very different from the other keyboards I've had. Better I think than the Yamaha YS-200 action, which is the only other keybed that should be similar. After a point the keys naturally start depressing easier once you press past the initial resistance point, or whatever you call it.



Once I'm up to my 50 posts I will attach my signature, which will show the other stuff I have. I already have more modern stuff covered. I think it will be nice to have the JV soundset around, and that C1 assignable slider will be handy, as it bypasses the spring-loaded joystick for modulation. Good midi features too.
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Re: Roland JV-1000 vs XP80 for sounds/compatibility

Unread post by Mighty Motif Max » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:18 pm

Hi,

I thought that I should correct a few statements that I made in the third post above this and the fifth above this, and add some info I found for reference.

In the third post above this, I said that the pianos in the JV-1000 are made from waves in the SR-JV80-03 board.
Mighty Motif Max wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:18 pm
...

I believe that according to the manual, the JV-1000 had its main pianos redesigned around the SR-JV80-03 piano board waves. Which in that case would seem to mean that there would be no point in getting the piano boards.
This is actually not the case. The JV-1000 pianos were redesigned based on the SO-PCM1-04 Grand Piano 1 PCM card. The waves are labeled Piano 2 in the ROM. The JV-80 Piano 1 wave is also in the ROM.

The JV-80 presets are also in the JV-1000, and can be accessed by a combination of button presses. The JV-1000 ROM also includes the entire PN-JV80-05 Contemporary Composer by Andrew Schlesinger collection (data/rom card). The PN-JV80-07 Rich Sound Collection 4 is made entirely from the JV-1000 preset sounds that were not present in the JV80.

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Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:10 pm

...The previous guy definitely had an expansion board and some pcm/data cards installed. Some sounds in his user banks seem to require waveforms not in the machine, and the screws are a bit loose over the EXP board compartment.
I recently discovered that, while there is no wave expansion installed, and no pcm card or data card, there is a V-EXP board installed. My keyboard has the VE-GS1 board, which essentially makes the JV-1000 GS/GM compatible and gives you a separate 28-voice sound generator. Very tricky to get to the sounds as they were designed to be used mainly in sequencing and sometimes layering. All bank/program numbers to choose them. The VE-GS1 board does round out the JV-1000 soundset by including various sounds that are not in the JV-1000 base set, like various solo strings, pads, different percussion sounds, more drum sets, etc. Perhaps not the highest quality, since the board is sort of a Sound Canvas module, but for the sounds the JV-1000 doesn't have as stock, its just fine. Now I just have to figure out how to predictably be able to access the sounds...






Just putting that info out there for future reference, as it's rather interesting to try to track down the old PN and SO cards and their wave lists, much less any recordings.




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