Cubase Artist 9: Constant MIDI Pulse on Transport and Selected MIDI Track

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Cubase Artist 9: Constant MIDI Pulse on Transport and Selected MIDI Track

Unread post by SoundSurfer » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:33 pm

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Cubase Artist 9
Hello All,

I am using Cubase Artist v.9 with MIDI instruments interfaced via a Yamaha 01v96i Mixer/DAW controller. The system is clocked at 48 kHz via the Yamaha Steinberg USB ASIO Driver.

Midi Channels in Cubase are showing constant click/pulse activity even when all systems are not being used (I assume this is the word clock signal).

I would like to prevent Cubase from showing this pulse but have not been able to find a solution online. I cannot see the wood for the trees when trying to monitor desired MIDI activity while this issue remains.

There are many accounts of this issue but no solution as far as I am able to ascertain.

Please can someone tell me how to stop Cubase displaying MIDI clock data on the MIDI meters?

Many thanks :?
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Re: Cubase Artist 9: Constant MIDI Pulse on Transport and Selected MIDI Track

Unread post by Derek » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:15 pm

Hi.

If you mean MIDI input channels then it is most likely active sensing (most keyboards send this to indicate there is something on the end of a MIDI channel - if active sensing is being sent and is then lost, then the receiving device will turn all played notes off), although that is normally filtered out. So you may need to look at the MIDI filter settings under Cubase Preferences. I have Cubase Pro so may have a look later to see if I can advise further, assuming it is not too different to Artist.

If you don't already have it, it is worth getting hold of MIDIOX (PC) or SNOIZE MIDI Monitor (OS X) and take a look and see what is on the channels (you may need to adjust their filters to see all traffic).
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Re: Cubase Artist 9: Constant MIDI Pulse on Transport and Selected MIDI Track

Unread post by SoundSurfer » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:09 pm

Thanks so much for taking the time to respond Derek. That's really useful info.

I will certainly take a look at MIDIOX. The pulse still occurs with just the PC/Cubase and Yam 01v96i turned on and all other devices turned off.

What confuses me is that this pulse cannot be seen and does not occur on all videos I have seen of Cubase in operation online. Surely there are many people out there with setups the same as mine?
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Re: Cubase Artist 9: Constant MIDI Pulse on Transport and Selected MIDI Track

Unread post by Derek » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:13 pm

Hi,

Best bet is to confirm what is actually being seen on "the wire" using MIDIOX and take it from there. Feel free to post some screen shots. Is the 01v96I sending data to Cubase?

I couldn't see any options in Cubase to show this low level info and I do not get it in the MIDI activity on my Cubase, despite all my devices sending it.
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Re: Cubase Artist 9: Constant MIDI Pulse on Transport and Selected MIDI Track

Unread post by SoundSurfer » Tue May 01, 2018 11:24 pm

Hello Derek,

Just to confirm that the pulse occurs with all kit turned off other than my Yam 01v96i Desk and PC/Cubase.

I have generated a log file from MIDIOX cut and pasted below.

I am struggling to find any useful information regarding system setup, both for Cubase and my desk to work in harmony with each other, hence am not confident that things are configured as they should be. Please find current setup details below.

Any assistance/pointers from anyone will be greatly appreciated!

Many thanks :cry:

Yamaha Steinberg USB ASIO Setup.jpg
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Yamaha Steinberg USB Driver Setup.jpg
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MIDIOX Log File (runs this sequence in a loop);

===> MIDI-OX Version: 7.0.2.372
===> Log Opened: Tue 01-May-2018 22:18:43 ===>
TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT
0002F6A0 1 2 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F6A0 1 3 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F6A0 1 4 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F6A0 1 5 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F6A0 1 6 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F6A0 1 7 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F6A0 1 8 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F6A0 1 9 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F7A4 1 2 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F7A4 1 3 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F7A4 1 4 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F7A4 1 5 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F7A4 1 6 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F7A4 1 7 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F7A4 1 8 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F7A4 1 9 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F8A8 1 2 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F8A8 1 3 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F8A8 1 4 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F8A8 1 5 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F8A8 1 6 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F8A8 1 7 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F8A8 1 8 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F8A8 1 9 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F9AB 1 2 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F9AB 1 3 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F9AB 1 4 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F9AB 1 5 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F9AB 1 6 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F9AB 1 7 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F9AB 1 8 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
0002F9AB 1 9 F0 Buffer: 7 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7
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Re: Cubase Artist 9: Constant MIDI Pulse on Transport and Selected MIDI Track

Unread post by SeaGtGruff » Wed May 02, 2018 4:53 am

It's a System Exclusive message that's being transmitted over and over (on ports 2 through 9? but I don't know if I'm reading that part correctly).

F0 43 10 3E 1A 7F F7

F0 = SysEx
43 = Yamaha
10 = Parameter Change
3E = Model Group ID (Digital Mixer)
1A = Model ID (01V96t)
7F = Check Sum???
F7 = End of SysEx

I'm piecing this together from the reference manual, by the way. It's like the mixer is repeatedly sending [EDIT: or being sent?] parameter change messages over ports 2 through 9 (again, if I'm reading that part of the log correctly), but there's no parameter address or data included, just a check sum (assuming that's what the 7F is).

Sorry, I'm pretty far out of my element here, so just ignore me if I'm lost in space saying "I think it's over here in this nebula" and those of you who know better are saying "No, it's not." :)
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Re: Cubase Artist 9: Constant MIDI Pulse on Transport and Selected MIDI Track

Unread post by Derek » Wed May 02, 2018 8:13 pm

Hi.

This is why you have messages registering as MIDI activity in Cubase as it is a message that is not timing or active sensing. In Cubase Preferences/MIDI (sorry I am away from home so no access to manuals or Cubase) you should be able to generally filter out SYSEX messages, so give that a go. I do not know what purposes those messages are for, but you probably do not need them for basic Cubase operation.
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Re: Cubase Artist 9: Constant MIDI Pulse on Transport and Selected MIDI Track

Unread post by SeaGtGruff » Wed May 02, 2018 9:52 pm

Since it's a parameter change message, I'm thinking it might be coming from Cubase, because I can't imagine why the mixer would send parameter change requests to itself. I know that DAWs can send automation messages to external equipment to change parameters and possibly move physical controls-- such as faders-- which are motorized for that purpose. And it seems odd that the message doesn't actually include a parameter address and parameter data, just a check sum(?), so it's like something is set up to transmit the message on a regular basis regardless of whether or not anything is being changed. So I guess the first thing to do is figure out if the mixer is sending the message to Cubase, or vice versa, because if it's coming from Cubase then telling Cubase to ignore SysEx messages from the mixer might not help-- unless the mixer is receiving the message from Cubase and then bouncing it back to Cubase. Or, could some other hardware or software in the setup be sending it?
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Re: Cubase Artist 9: Constant MIDI Pulse on Transport and Selected MIDI Track

Unread post by Derek » Thu May 03, 2018 7:26 am

If Cubase is sending it will be shown as output activity. If mixer is sending it will be input activity so should be easy to tell.....
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