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M-Audio 4x4 and 2x2 did work together, now they won't...

Unread post by Lemming » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:03 am

Funny one this, and apologies but I'm asking the question now in case anyone has a quick answer but I'll be searching this site and other places as well, as I fear there may be no answer at all.

I have 2 PCs running XP SP3.
Original PC had M-Audio 4x4 and 2x2 midi interfaces working in harmony (1 of each).
Replacement PC now employed as old one doesn't physically fit after buying some more modules; everything appeared to work the same, until a RAM module died and corrupted various things, cue XP re-install.
So now it works with either interface connected, but not both at the same time; if they both are it won't power up!

My setup is continually getting on my nerves now, basically I'm waiting to build a summerhouse to use as my studio, at which point I'll get new PC and DAW, but that's 6+ months away; I don't want to stop doing music in the meantime so I'm keen to try to sort this out.

Any pointers greatly appreciated.

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Re: M-Audio 4x4 and 2x2 did work together, now they won't...

Unread post by parametric » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:08 am

Hi Mark,

Did your new machine work with both I/Fs before the RAM went bad?

Based on my own recent experiences with a new build. . . . . . I initially had trouble with RAM, though not in the same way . .

My new system was AMD 8-core with 32Gb Ram (4 x 8 ). Installing Win7 Pro, it was blue-screening all over the place . . .

Took it back to my parts supplier who fixed it . . . turned out the RAM I had chosen (which wasn't just "generic") was incompatible with the MOBO.

I had omitted to check the compatibility list about RAM . . . . The new RAM is just fine now . . .

With your problem, I guess you replaced the DUFF DIMM with a new one . . .

If its not the same (make/spec) as the others, I would suggest this may be the problem?

They seem to imply that RAM should be both compatible AND matched for best results.

This is not usually a problem, as when you do a new build, you usually buy the RAM as a "lot" so they are (should be) matched.

Could be your problem . . . .

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Re: M-Audio 4x4 and 2x2 did work together, now they won't...

Unread post by Saul » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:01 am

As Chris said, definitely worth checking the ram first since that is the only hardware that has changed since the setup last worked well.

Only other thing I can think of is the order in which things were installed after you had to do a clean install of XP. Sometimes things that should work, won't because of when they were installed in relation to everything else. Doesn't happen so much on newer builds but certainly did in XP.

Also have you installed all the drivers for the motherboard, graphics card etc with this reinstall of XP and are they the same versions as you had before or have they been updated?

It's all a process of elimination. Would check the ram first though simply because it's the most obvious thing that went wrong.
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Re: M-Audio 4x4 and 2x2 did work together, now they won't...

Unread post by AJay » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:19 pm

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Please state make/model of old/new motherboards and OS versions. Also, check/try BIOS USB options.
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Re: M-Audio 4x4 and 2x2 did work together, now they won't...

Unread post by Lemming » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:28 am

Yes, it all seemed to work fine before, with both interfaces however, I was using the 4x4 on its own until recently when I got my TX802 and I needed 1 more MIDI port, hence I brought the 2x2 out of retirement. So yes, I suppose the sequence of installs may count.

More interestingly, and I only just found this out, it's only doing a restart with both connected that there's an issue. Power-up from cold with both connected it all works fine! And restart with only one connected it's fine. So it's quite possible that I never did a restart in the previous configuration and the problem has been lurking, but never seen. So that'll do me.

For the record it's a Dell Optiplex 755, and Dell like their proprietary motherboards and tweaked O/S. I *think* I installed everything I needed to via their downloads, but one thing I noticed is that XP recognizes some hardware as generic but when you present it with the proper driver it "realises" it was wrong! But until then it looks ok, but won't be optimum. So it may not be obvious if I missed something.

Also for the record, I ran memcheck thoroughly before and after; plenty of errors before (on the same I/O line) and none with the replacement DIMM. Also tried multiple reseats in different DIMM sockets on the board with the same results both ways. So I'm pretty sure the RAM is ok now.

If my rack wasn't now full I'd consider an 8-port I/F; I already have a Midex8 but that's another story. When I upgrade to a new music machine I'll re-evaluate. Might even get a Mac. I've held off long enough but perhaps it's time.
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My hot topic: getting the iMac set up...
Kit list:
Current... TX802, TX81Z (PCB repaired), M1, Prophecy, Electribe ER1, Novation Nova, Novation Drumstation, Roland JV1010 (+60s/70s keys), a real piano, Alto 61, Roland VK-7.
Outboard etc... MPX100, TC M300, 3630, MDX4400, Line6 RotoMachine, Spirit Folio SX mixer, Behringer 1002 sub-mixer, PX2000 patchbay, UCA222 USB I/F, FCA202 FW I/F.
Past... PSS570 (long gone), PSR 3500 (also gone), SW60XG (needs ISA PC; if anyone wants to buy, let me know!)
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Re: M-Audio 4x4 and 2x2 did work together, now they won't...

Unread post by Saul » Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:06 pm

You seem to have it all covered there :)

Only thing I can add is a definite thumbs up for going down the Apple route. I switched to the iMac back in 2010 and it's been superb ever since then. I still have a good spec PC but I do nearly everything on the mac including music. Everything "just works" so you can spend more time on your music and less time trying to battle the tech :)
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Re: M-Audio 4x4 and 2x2 did work together, now they won't...

Unread post by Lemming » Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:11 pm

Well the cold power-up thing has stopped working for me now for some reason, so I have to leave the most accessible I/F disconnected for start-up and only connect after power-up. So... an upgrade will definitely be happening! I'm doing my Mac vs PC research and Mac is winning on accessibility. At the risk of opening a can of worms or re-igniting feuds long since put to rest... are there any recent write-ups on relative performance?! The last ones I've found so far date back to 2011 when Apples seemed to lag somewhat behind PCs. I did find some qualitative stuff from nearly 2 years ago suggesting the differences were a lot less at that point, and the ease of getting kit up and running outweighed the performance gap. Plus while it's possible to get stability in a PC, you spend time or money to get there...
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Current... TX802, TX81Z (PCB repaired), M1, Prophecy, Electribe ER1, Novation Nova, Novation Drumstation, Roland JV1010 (+60s/70s keys), a real piano, Alto 61, Roland VK-7.
Outboard etc... MPX100, TC M300, 3630, MDX4400, Line6 RotoMachine, Spirit Folio SX mixer, Behringer 1002 sub-mixer, PX2000 patchbay, UCA222 USB I/F, FCA202 FW I/F.
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Re: M-Audio 4x4 and 2x2 did work together, now they won't...

Unread post by Saul » Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:16 pm

The Mac vs PC debate can be somewhat heated although I have never been able to see a sensible reason for that. I just use what works. I have no brand loyalty whatsoever. I also have both mac and pc here plus 2 x iPad's , 2 x iPhones and one LG G3 Android phone.

It depends a lot on which Mac your considering. The differences between an iMac and a PC are much wider than those between a Mac Pro and a PC.

The iMac is of course an all-in-one jobby and user "upgrades" are normally restricted to changing out the memory modules, although of course if you know your way around an iMac you can also change the hard drive and...depending on age, the graphics card. With a PC you can pretty much change anything you like, as you can with a Mac Pro...or an older one anyway, the latest version is pretty much what you see is what you get, apart from memory.

The real difference is the OS and here OS X wins out not on only on ease of use but also efficiency. To give an example of that I only have a 64Gb SSD installed in my iMac at the moment yet not only does that hold the operating system and it's updates but also the full MS Office Suite, Adobe Muse, Pixelmator, Pianoteq, all my client web site files and my photos and downloads AND I still have 10Gb free! If I were to try that on the PC I would have been out of space a long time ago. OS X is really efficient in the way it stores files and programs.

Also because of the efficiency of the operating system it is much faster in use compared to a PC of the same spec. This is a 2009 model iMac running Yosemite and it still flies!

Focusing on music for a moment. Your software will run much smoother on the mac and it simply will not crash. You can totally rely on it to do what it is supposed to do so you can get on with the creative stuff. I have never had a single problem with any music software on the mac :)

Hope that has not confused things even further?
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Re: M-Audio 4x4 and 2x2 did work together, now they won't...

Unread post by Lemming » Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:37 pm

No confusion at all. Likewise I don't have brand loyalty and just want the best machine for the job for the right price. Apple stuff previously didn't quite fit with my criteria, however now it does. What you just said falls into the brackets of what I'm looking at, so it's all good :-)

I've hardly touched the PCs I use in terms of upgrades, apart from RAM, so lack of options to change hardware isn't an issue. What-ever I get is likely to be based on internal SSD with projects swapped out to an external drive as necessary. I'll probably stick Ubuntu Server on the old PC and have it sitting somewhere out the way as a media server/offline storage/backup.
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In and out of soul/funk/motown bands, writer of dance/big-beat stuff when others don't depend on me.
Summary: eclectic.

My hot topic: getting the iMac set up...
Kit list:
Current... TX802, TX81Z (PCB repaired), M1, Prophecy, Electribe ER1, Novation Nova, Novation Drumstation, Roland JV1010 (+60s/70s keys), a real piano, Alto 61, Roland VK-7.
Outboard etc... MPX100, TC M300, 3630, MDX4400, Line6 RotoMachine, Spirit Folio SX mixer, Behringer 1002 sub-mixer, PX2000 patchbay, UCA222 USB I/F, FCA202 FW I/F.
Past... PSS570 (long gone), PSR 3500 (also gone), SW60XG (needs ISA PC; if anyone wants to buy, let me know!)
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