A few minor gripes about the MODX

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A few minor gripes about the MODX

Unread post by DenBro88 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:58 pm

Hi all,

First let me say, before a flame war erupts, that I love my new MODX7. It's fantastic.

BUT, below are a few things I'm not crazy about. I think some of these might be able to be fixed with firmware updates, and some can't.

1. External power supply - yikes, these things make me very nervous when taking the keyboard to a gig. The 12V input connector is just a lot more fragile than a three prong 120VAC computer-type connector. I know this can't be changed, but I would gladly have paid a little more money for this keyboard to have the power supply INSIDE. I plan on keeping a spare power supply in my gig bag, although if the power connector on the keyboard gets damaged I will SOOL.

2. A few people have mentioned that it would be desirable to have the Performance Category Search page recall the most recently selected Bank. Yes, please. I find myself going into that page and frequently having to open the Bank/Favorite list to select the User Bank.

3. This appears to be a bug: I like to use the cursor control buttons (below the Dec and Inc buttons) to move around on pages of Performances. There's an inconsistency though between cursor control with buttons on the Live Set pages and the Category Search pages. In the Category Search area when you press the down cursor button and it comes to the bottom of the page, continuing to press it will scroll down to the next row of Performances. In the Live Set area, when the cursor gets to the bottom row, pressing the down button again does nothing. I would expect these cursor control buttons to work the same way in both areas. Not a big deal, but it does seem like this could be fixed in firmware.

That's all I have for now. I'm not crazy about the way Songs are stored and recalled, but I'm still working through that.

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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

Unread post by Saul » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:21 pm

You won't find any flame wars on this forum Den :)

You are more than welcome to post about what you don't like as well as what you do like.

The external power supply is one of those things that gigging players will not like but home studio players will probably be fine with. For me it is a preferred way of doing things. First because it is easily replaceable should it go faulty and second because it reduces heat build up within the keyboard housing. It is not something I would accidentally trip over and pull out because it never moves.

Now IF I were playing on stage in a gig type environment, well that's a different matter!

The other two points you mentioned are things that can always be changed in future firmware updates. The thing is to make sure Yamaha get feedback so they know what users like and dislike about the interface and that is where forums like ours come into play. Yamaha do read this forum so don't assume your comments are falling on deaf ears. They will take it all on board and I have a feeling we will see some big changes for the next update :)
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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

Unread post by anotherscott » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:57 pm

Saul wrote:
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The external power supply...For me it is a preferred way of doing things. First because it is easily replaceable should it go faulty and second because it reduces heat build up within the keyboard housing
it also helps eliminate hums and interference. But also, I don't think I've ever seen a plastic-chassis board with an internal power supply, and I wonder if there might be some technical manufacturing or engineering or regulatory reason that it is not feasible. If going to an internal power supply means going to a metal chassis, we're back to a board that weighs a whole lot more. And personally, the reason I'm buying a MODX and never considered a Montage was that I didn't want to gig with the heavier boards.
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3. This appears to be a bug: I like to use the cursor control buttons (below the Dec and Inc buttons) to move around on pages of Performances. There's an inconsistency though between cursor control with buttons on the Live Set pages and the Category Search pages. In the Category Search area when you press the down cursor button and it comes to the bottom of the page, continuing to press it will scroll down to the next row of Performances. In the Live Set area, when the cursor gets to the bottom row, pressing the down button again does nothing. I would expect these cursor control buttons to work the same way in both areas.
I don't think that's a bug. On a Category Search page, the set of available Performances is probably larger than what can fit on the screen, so you'd need to scroll to see more of them. But a Live Set only has 16 sounds in it, and they all appear on the screen at once, so there is nothing else to scroll to.
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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

Unread post by DenBro88 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:26 pm

Scott,

So far I have 3 Pages filled with Performances in my Live Set User 1 Bank, and each Page holds 16 Performances. I believe you can have up to 16 Pages in each Live Set User Bank and there are 8 possible User Banks (User 1, User 2, etc.).

When a Performance in the bottom row of Page 1 of User Bank 1 is selected I can use the Inc button to advance to the next Page, or I can press the down arrow next to the Page window at the top of touch screen. Pressing the cursor down button does not advance to the next Page. In the Category Search area it does. This is not a hardship; it just seems inconsistent.

Again, this is a very minor issue.

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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

Unread post by Stevie18 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:57 am

I believe the external power supplies are just cheaper. To prevent the mentioned hums and interferences you need to have much improve shielding and a better design with an internal one. Also the plug itself is more expensive. But for my Montage which I use for gigging I am just glad that it has the internal power supply. For my MODX which I use at home I am very fine with the external one.
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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

Unread post by Derek » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:38 am

It’s impossible to go on stage these days without at least some gear having an external PSU. My FC300 and TC-Helicon spring to mind. The only thing you can do is have spare PSUs....
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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

Unread post by parametric » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:51 pm

Derek wrote:
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It’s impossible to go on stage these days without at least some gear having an external PSU. My FC300 and TC-Helicon spring to mind. The only thing you can do is have spare PSUs....
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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

Unread post by anotherscott » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:16 pm

DenBro88 wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:58 pm
if the power connector on the keyboard gets damaged I will SOOL.
To the other power supply comments, I'd also add that, over lots of years and lots of gear, while I've had external power supplies break or get left behind, I've never had the connection side (inside the device) fail, and I doubt that's any more common than an actual internal power supply failing, maybe less so.
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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

Unread post by Saul » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:45 pm

I can't actually remember ever having to replace an external power supply and we are going back well over 30 years. Then again I guess I have also been lucky with internal psu's as I have never had one of those fail either :)
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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

Unread post by Saul » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:47 pm

By the way if we are talking about MODX gripes I only have two and they are very minor. First I would have preferred the ports to be identified on the top of the keyboard so I don't have to lean over to check which is which and second the power on/off switch, I am always hunting for it on the back of the keyboard, maybe it should have been more prominent or even on the main control panel?

Anyway, I am really splitting hairs there. Those are the only two niggles I can find with the MODX :)
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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

Unread post by anotherscott » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:38 pm

Saul wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:47 pm
would have preferred the ports to be identified on the top of the keyboard so I don't have to lean over to check which is which
This is an issue on many keyboards. I've sometimes stuck on my own labels. If you want them to look nice, you can get something like a Brother label maker.
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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

Unread post by Saul » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:50 pm

anotherscott wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:38 pm
Saul wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:47 pm
would have preferred the ports to be identified on the top of the keyboard so I don't have to lean over to check which is which
This is an issue on many keyboards. I've sometimes stuck on my own labels. If you want them to look nice, you can get something like a Brother label maker.
If it were mine I would probably do exactly that but as it belongs to Yamaha I don't think they would appreciate the "improvement" ;)
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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

Unread post by anotherscott » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:17 pm

Or maybe, when they got it back from you, they would get the hint. ;-)
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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

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Saul wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:47 pm
By the way if we are talking about MODX gripes I only have two and they are very minor. First I would have preferred the ports to be identified on the top of the keyboard so I don't have to lean over to check which is which and second the power on/off switch, I am always hunting for it on the back of the keyboard, maybe it should have been more prominent or even on the main control panel? ...:)
I am pretty close to using dry press-on transfer lettering or some simple vinyl adhesive lettering to "fix" this. It's pretty irritating so far ... honestly the only thing that bugs me about my MODX7 so far.
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Re: A few minor gripes about the MODX

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Saul wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:47 pm
By the way if we are talking about MODX gripes I only have two and they are very minor. First I would have preferred the ports to be identified on the top of the keyboard so I don't have to lean over to check which is which and second the power on/off switch, I am always hunting for it on the back of the keyboard, maybe it should have been more prominent or even on the main control panel?

Anyway, I am really splitting hairs there. Those are the only two niggles I can find with the MODX :)
I really do agree on that. On the Montage you can easily see what's were from the top. You can read the labels and see the switch. I love that!!!
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