MODX8 vs Montage 8

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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by anotherscott » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:30 pm

Kal1n_M wrote:
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Another question! How many User Performances does the MODX8 have?
approx. 2000
No, this is the number of the preset performances. The User bank can hold 640 performances. And then again, each of the 8 library slots can hold 640 as well.
Whoops! Thanks for the correction.
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by Stevie18 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:42 am

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The new performance you switch to, of course, will not receive any CC messages before you load it, this is not how MIDI controllers work. It will start with the volume you programmed for its Live Set slot.
That's correct but with some exception: In the Utility -> MIDI I/O -> Controller section you can put the CC setting for all CCs to hold instead of reset. If you do that and connect the foot controller to slot 1 and let it control CC 11 (which is then a volume pedal), then it will carry over the volume to the next performances. It then basically acts as a main volume control which can be used to lower the volume of the whole instrument. If it is pressed fully down, then you get the volume programmed for the performance. If it is fully up, then you hear nothing. The disadvantage of that setting is that it also affects things like the modulation wheel - something I don't want. I want the modulation wheel to reset when I switch performances.
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by kingy75 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:54 pm

Thanks for all the info, I really appreciate it.

Regarding the Seamless Sound Switching for Performances of up to 4 parts - how many parts do most Preset Performances typically contain? I know one of the pianos contains 3 I think. Does this vary widely?
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by anotherscott » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:00 pm

It varies, but remember, every Motif XF voice is also a Montage/MODX performance, so that's over 1000 single-part Performances right there.
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by pax-eterna » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:33 pm

SSS would be very handy when switching between scenes :(
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by Kal1n_M » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:56 am

SSS (Seamless Sound Switching) is Yamaha term for switching BETWEEN different performances. Switching between different parts WITHING the same performance should always be seamless. Scenes are just a way to make snapshots of the current performance supported parameters configuration. What exactly is the problem you are experiencing with the scenes and seamless parts switching?
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by pax-eterna » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:54 pm

If it happens again I'll take note of what is set at the time.
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by Stevie18 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:13 pm

Kal1n_M wrote:
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SSS (Seamless Sound Switching) is Yamaha term for switching BETWEEN different performances. Switching between different parts WITHING the same performance should always be seamless. Scenes are just a way to make snapshots of the current performance supported parameters configuration. What exactly is the problem you are experiencing with the scenes and seamless parts switching?
Well, that depends on how you see it. If you use the scenes to switch between sounds, then it is not. Say you have two different sounds where each is used over the whole keyboard and you want to switch between them. Using scenes you either have to use the mute button or reducing the volume to 0. Both will cut off the old sound at the moment you switch. Similarly if you have for example a piano sound layered with a string sound. You want to enable the string sound only in parts of the song. Switching it on works perfectly. Switching it off will unfortunately mute it immediately.

There is one way around it: Use the AF buttons to enable a sound only when the AF button is pressed. That works great. The disadvantage is that it is tedious to program it. You have to set the XA control settings for every element of every part you want to enable with the AF button. Also it can be of course only 3 "scenes" which are programmed with the AF button. Actually really only 2, because you would have to press two buttons to switch to the third scene. Still this is something I use in many performances because seamless switching is not available between scenes. So having a mute which does not cutoff and can be stored with scenes is my #1 feature request. #2 is of course proper flexible MIDI channels...
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by pax-eterna » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:45 am

Great tip there Stevie - I am going to try that (Y) ...nothing worse than having the organ "jump out" at you when changing a scene! What I have been doing is setting the exp pedal to on for that part (with the disadvantage being it also has to be turned off for the other parts) to on for the organ part but at 0 to start, so I can introduce it gradually.

I think your system might work and I can then reclaim the exp pedal for original/other uses.

Cool!
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by Kal1n_M » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:18 am

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Using scenes you either have to use the mute button or reducing the volume to 0. Both will cut off the old sound at the moment you switch.
Use scenes to enable/disable the Keyboard Control instead of muting.
In order to avoid MIDI glitches you can try sending the key off before switching the scene and hold whatever you are holding with the sustain pedal.
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by Stevie18 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:34 am

That's basically my feature request: To be able to store the keyboard control state with the scene. Unfortunately that's not implemented... :(
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by Kal1n_M » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:00 am

Hmm, I am not in a position to try it right now, so I just made a logical suggestion. If the Keyboard Control is not stored in the scene this is some epic overlook on Yamaha`s side and they definitely need to fix that.
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by Stevie18 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:24 am

Couldn't say it better. Epic overlook!
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by Stevie18 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:37 am

pax-eterna wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:45 am
Great tip there Stevie - I am going to try that (Y) ...nothing worse than having the organ "jump out" at you when changing a scene!
Agreed! Let me know if you have problems with that. It certainly works ... but maybe a bit fiddly...
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Re: MODX8 vs Montage 8

Unread post by Richever » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:16 pm

This is sort of a segue into a related topic ........... I too would love to see Keyboard Control store with a scene, not only for the reason stated above ......... but,I need a way to stop midi (that I have set up with zone settings) from transmitting from a part with a scene change. Keyboard Control could accomplish this or if muting a part could also mute the midi out. Other than wishing, anyone have any ideas?
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