MODX - various questions

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MODX - various questions

Unread post by mitya » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:35 pm

Yeap, there's more questions!

1) Is there a way to quickly zero a setting? I find myself having to fine-tune a rotary back to 0, when I wish there was a button that would just instantly jump it back to 0 without the need for my precision (when I'm trying to play the keys.)

2) Some parts seem to have effects that are not governed by the Edit > Effects section. For example, the performance Trigger Horizon, its second part (pad analog). That has a pulsating effect, yet if you go to Edit > Effects and turn both effects off, it still happens. So where is that sort of thing defined?

3) How do you get the superknob to control the volume of a part such that turning it to the LEFT takes the volume down? I can achieve the opposite; for example, CFX Stage > Edit > Mod control > Superknob > Part param > volume and then set the shape to +63. The piano is on full volume to the left and zero volume to the right. I would expect -63, therefore, to be the opposite. However when you do this, you get full volume to the right (good) but when you turn it fully to the left it's quiet but not zero volume. You can still hear it. Why would that be?

4) Sometimes the dynamics seem strange. Often I'll add a rhythm part to a performance and, even on full volume (the part, not master), it's really quiet compared to the rest of the performance. Other times - and this varies according to the voices in the performance and the rhythm part - it's fine. I can fish out an example if need be. Why would that be?

5) Is there any way to record or somehow create your own arp patterns?

6) Speaking of arps, one problem I find concerns arps and splits. Let's say I have a piano set to just the key C2 - G2, so obviously a very small range. Any arp I apply to that piano will use notes only from that very constricted range. Is there any way to say the arp should feel free to use all notes in its pattern, unrestricted by the split? I want to TRIGGER the piano within that range, but have it use notes in its arp outside of that range.

Many thanks in advance!
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Re: MODX - various questions

Unread post by Stevie18 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:43 pm

Hi!

1) In many cases you can press the Incr. and Decr. key at the same time (or press the second while still holding the first and this will zero it.

2) There are part effects and performance effects. If you look at the performance common page and then at the effect tab, you see the performance effects. If you look at the part page and then select the effects tab, you look at the part effects. Go through all sounding parts and see if those do not have effects. Then check the performance effects. The part effects are insert effects, thus the part's signal passes through those effects. The performance effects are send effects, which means you can send a configurable portion of each part's signal to the send effect.

3) You can configure in the control assign screen how a assignable knob affects a certain setting. Look there and see if the curve is going up or down. Then change it to do the opposite. I don't have the MODX with me so I cannot be more specific right now. But the curve is displayed so you can see what's going on.

4) There are numerous possible reasons including but not limited to super knob control, assignable knob control. Etc. You need to check them to see what's going on. And of course the volume of the elements might be low. Also it depends on the played dynamics. Please give a specific example, then we can analyze that.

5) Yes, you can record a song. Then you can store the song as an ARP. I believe by tapping on the song name.

6) Sorry don't know without the MODX in front of me.
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Re: MODX - various questions

Unread post by Saul » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:57 pm

Fantastic answers their Stevie :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Re: MODX - various questions

Unread post by mitya » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:54 pm

Thanks for the answers, Stevie - really helpful.

Re: point 3, that's just the thing - the graph gets exactly inverted. As I said, it's +63 vs. -63, the same graph inverted. And yet the phenomenon I described occurs... very strange.
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Re: MODX - various questions

Unread post by Stevie18 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:53 pm

Actually the Inc / Dec pressing at the same time does not do anything. This apparently works only for the Octave up/down buttons. I must have dreamed this :-). Sorry...

For the inversion of the graph: If you are in the performance home screen and go to the "motion control -> superknob" tab, there is a possibility that for each assignable knob you can change the range which is covered when you turn from full left to full right. The value for each of the 8 knobs in the upper row is the value for the leftmost setting of the superknob, the value in the lower row is the setting for the rightmost setting of the superknob. You can use that to for example limit the range. But you can also use that to reverse the curve by having the upper row having a higher value than the one in the lower row. Maybe in the performance you are talking about the programmer has used that? Again, if you have a specific performance, tell me and I can have a look.

About the ARPs: Yes, you can do that - if I understand your question correctly. I personally think this is a bit counter intuitive: Leave the key range of the part as is. Then select a part, press edit and select the arpeggio tab. There you have another setting, the note limit. If you set that to a limited range, then only the keys in that range will trigger the arp but the notes outside will still sound. The range in the performance home screen actually controls the sounding note range in that case. I would have expected that they have the respective opposite meanings...
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Re: MODX - various questions

Unread post by martyjones6294 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:59 pm

In response to question #2: Don't forget that beyond the two Insert Effects (A & B) there is the Variation Effect. This used to be called Chorus on previous Motifs, but they are doing so much with it now that I think Yamaha changed the name to more accurately reflect what it is capable of.

I have found that a lot of the rhythmic effects in the factory performances are using the Variation Effect.
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Re: MODX - various questions

Unread post by mitya » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:51 pm

Thanks, Stevie. I did crack that in the end re: changing the arp key range in the arp settings rather than changing the part's key range.

Marty - to be honest effects are still something of a mystery to me at the moment so I need to learn about this. I understand there's different layers of effects - insertion, master etc - but I don't really know what this all means, e.g. why they're called insertion effects, what insertion routing is ("thru" etc), or what variation effect is.

Effects seem like a whole topic to dig into :-)
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Re: MODX - various questions

Unread post by Stevie18 » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:17 pm

There are three types of effects:
  • Insert effects: Those belong to the parts. Every part has two of them which belong individually to the part. For every element of the part you can decide if it goes through none of them, one of them or both of them. If an element goes through the insert effect, the mix of the insert effect decides on the amount of effect you have on the element. If the mix is set so that only the effect is heard, then you hear nothing of the original. That's why it is called "insert", it is inserted between the element and the outputs. Note that the A/D input is handled like an additional part and also has its own two insert effects.
  • Send effects: Those belong to the performance. There are two of them (and to be clear: they are called "Reverb" and "Variation" but I guess that's for historical reasons, only. They are identical, you can chose from the same palette of effects). They are called "sends" because for each part you can decide how much of the parts output is "sent" to the effect in parallel to the normal output from the part. Thus you can add effects to the sounds. But with the effect settings you cannot lower the output of the original signal coming from the part because that's going to the output in any case.
  • Master effect: This belongs to the performance. There is one master effect. It affects everything sounding in the performance. So you can use a global compressor, presence, EQs and similar to enhance the whole performance.
In addition to that you have various EQs. Every element has one. Every part has two. The performance has one master EQ. And every of the mentioned effect types (insert, send, master) could also be configured to be an equalizer (which is then a bit more capable).
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Re: MODX - various questions

Unread post by mitya » Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:42 pm

Wow, thanks for the crash course on effects, Stevie. I think I follow all that.

Interesting where you say "...the mix is set so that only the effect is heard, then you hear nothing of the original", could you elaborate on that point? What would an example be of hearing nothing of the part (e.g. a piano) and everything of the applied effect?

Continued thanks.
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Re: MODX - various questions

Unread post by Stevie18 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:29 pm

Say you have a delay as an effect. If the mix is set "D63>W", meaning only "dry" (= no effect), then you only hear the original sound you triggered. If you set it to "D<W63", meaning only "wet" (only the effect), then you hear only the delay. If your delay is set up to delay the sound by a second and you have the mix to fully "wet", then after you press a key you hear the first sound only a second later. Usually you have it to something in between. If you set it to "D=W" (meaning dry is as load as wet) then the original sound is as loud as the delayed sound.

The "D32>W" notation is really a bit weird. It means that the dry (=original) sound is set to 32 and it is louder than the wet (=effect) sound. "D=W" means that they have the same volume. "D<32W" means that the wet sound is louder and set to 32. Behind the scenes the setting goes from 0 to 127 where 0 means only dry, 63 means "D=W and 127 means only wet. Everything in between is a mix between the two signals.
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Re: MODX - various questions

Unread post by FunkyPharoah » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:37 pm

Hello,
I was asking about effects in another post, particularly how to trigger the insert effects, and if they can be assigned to somewhere on the keyboard for quick access.
But in reading this post, I don’t think I have come across the master effect for every performance, can someone tell me how to access and see the master effect options for every performance?
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Unread post by Stevie18 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:14 pm

From the performance home screen press edit. Then on the left side you have the "Effect" tab. Press it and then you should see to the right of that the "Master FX" sub-tab. Press that one and you can edit the type of the master effect and the respective parameters.
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Re: MODX - various questions

Unread post by mitya » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:25 pm

Thank you, Stevie, for the explanation of dry vs. wet. One of many curious terminologies I'm slowly getting my head around!
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