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MODX connected to home audio AVR and home audio tower speakers...

Unread post by pologuy » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:35 pm

Need help from you pros... :)

I touched on this in someone else's thread - but wanted to start one here instead of continuing to hijack that person's thread (sorry btw!)...

I am wanting to hook up a MODX8 to a home audio AVR and home audio tower speakers.

There are various reason for wanting to do this - fuller, richer, sound from full range tower speakers... more enveloping sound from the AVR's virtual surround modes ... able to do 5.1, shaping the sound through the AVR's various DSPs, etc...

I am just not sure exactly how to do it... the "right" way...

Someone in the other thread said that the output from the MODX8 would be too hot to go directly into a home audio AVR... so not to use just a TS to RCA cable from the MODX8 to the AVR.

So... the TS outputs from the MODX8 would need to go into (an EQ...?, a mixer...?, something else...?) with RCA outputs and then into the RCA inputs of the AVR...?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

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Re: MODX connected to home audio AVR and home audio tower speakers...

Unread post by Saul » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:45 am

Sounds like a great idea to me :) I have everything going into a mixer and then out to whatever I want to connect to. Works well although if recording to DAW you are only ever going to get a stereo out so not ideal if you want to edit post recording. Still for live it does give you a lot of control over what you are doing.

The mixer will take care of any "hot output" issues although personally I think just turning the volume on the MODX down would work fine. I have put all sorts of keyboards through Hi-fi gear over the years and never had any problems at all, although I understand others have.

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Re: MODX connected to home audio AVR and home audio tower speakers...

Unread post by pologuy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:24 am

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Re: MODX connected to home audio AVR and home audio tower speakers...

Unread post by parametric » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:58 am

pologuy wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:35 pm
Someone in the other thread said that the output from the MODX8 would be too hot to go directly into a home audio AVR... so not to use just a TS to RCA cable from the MODX8 to the AVR.

So... the TS outputs from the MODX8 would need to go into (an EQ...?, a mixer...?, something else...?) with RCA outputs and then into the RCA inputs of the AVR...?
I've not checked the MODX Manual, but the Audio Outputs of boards are generally Consumer LINE LEVEL (-10dbA),

and so will connect without issue to a HiFi Aux Input.

High End Boards may Also sport TRS Balanced OUTPUTS that may be switchable to the PRO output level (+4dbA).

This switching may be either a hardware switch near the Outputs OR in Software . . .

Be mindful, that with boards, the ACTUAL level may also be controlled by the instrument's VOLUME Control . . .

so it is wise to start with this at zero.

No problem to use a hardware EQ if you require the "hands on" shaping this provides . . . :D

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Re: MODX connected to home audio AVR and home audio tower speakers...

Unread post by anotherscott » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:42 pm

pologuy wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:24 am
What about this...?
That's an EQ, not a mixer.

Personally, I'm with Saul, I think you can go right into your amp as long as you watch your levels. I've used a mixer when needing more gain, but not less. Regardless, for any kind of component matching, a mixer can be useful, an EQ isn't. If anything, I'd say that inserting the EQ between the MODX and your amp could only complicate things. ;-)
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Unread post by ZT Scheer » Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:16 pm

Watch your levels CAREFULLY. While the MODX gain-staging is set to consumers levels, it's not a compressed, carefully mixed signal like most movies, CDs, etc.

The dynamic range of the MODX is extreme. You can blow out home AV speakers without even trying.
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Re: MODX connected to home audio AVR and home audio tower speakers...

Unread post by Kal1n_M » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:45 am

I already tried to explain in another topic that MODX is NOT a consumer Line level (-10dBV) instrument and is hotter than your average CD, cassette, etc., player that is supposed to go to the Line In of your home entertainment system.
Audio connections are not some miracle, it is actual electrical current that is going thru these cables. MODX is outputting somewhere between 2x and 3x of the voltage your home audio Line In can receive. Whether your home audio can or cannot handle hotter signals (higher voltages) is up to the model I guess, some will do better than others.
If your home audio system is so great that you prefer it's DSP than the MODX DSP... then better don't risk it and USE a mixer in between to make sure you will not overpower the Line In`s.
- Using the MODX volume knob to attenuate the signal will work if you have meters on your home audio system to monitor the signal and set it to acceptable levels.

For more details and educational purposes, check this link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_level
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Re: MODX connected to home audio AVR and home audio tower speakers...

Unread post by Stevie18 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:58 am

In the MODX there is a software switch where you can set the output gain from -6 dB to +12 dB in 4 steps. Default is 0 dB. That should allow to adapt to both professional gear and HIFI stuff. It's in the Utility -> Audio menu.
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Re: MODX connected to home audio AVR and home audio tower speakers...

Unread post by ZT Scheer » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:55 pm

Kal1n_M wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:45 am
I already tried to explain in another topic that MODX is NOT a consumer Line level (-10dBV) instrument and is hotter than your average CD, cassette, etc., player that is supposed to go to the Line In of your home entertainment system.
Audio connections are not some miracle, it is actual electrical current that is going thru these cables. MODX is outputting somewhere between 2x and 3x of the voltage your home audio Line In can receive....
Your clarification (and persistence) in this regard is needed ... much respect for keeping it real.
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Re: MODX connected to home audio AVR and home audio tower speakers...

Unread post by parametric » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:45 am

Thanks Stevie, ZT and Kal . . .

I was unaware that things had "moved on" in this respect . . .

Entirely sensible that Yamaha have provided a setting to alter it to user's needs.

IIRC - something happened back when CD HiFi Decks first appeared. The outputs were described as HOT . . .

possibly 1 or 2V was mentioned?

It was considered that most AUX inputs would cope with this . .

My Goodmans Module80 Tuner/Amp was fine with it . . .

Just goes to show that a little time spent reading the Manual and exploring the deeper menus is a good idea (Y)

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