FCB1010 Midi Foot Switch

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FCB1010 Midi Foot Switch

Unread post by maax555 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:01 am

Hi all, i have a chance of purchasing a used FCB1010 for £30. I have on order a Modx8 which i am expecting to receive in 2 weeks :-)
Has anyone used this midi controller with the Modx?
I want to know if the switches will allow me to select the scenes one to 8 directly by pressing each switch.
So i may want to jump from scene 1 to 4 then 2 etc.
Also can one of the pedals be assigned to the superknob?

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Re: FCB1010 Midi Foot Switch

Unread post by Saul » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:38 am

Hey maax that is a good price for the FCB1010 :)

I can't see any reason why you would not be able to use this with the MODX to do what you want. I recently asked the same question with regard to the CP88 and you can definitely control all sorts of functions using this pedal board.

Having said that, I have not used one myself so will need to leave it to someone else to confirm one way or the other.
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Re: FCB1010 Midi Foot Switch

Unread post by maax555 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:57 am

thanks Saul. As long as its working (not seen it yet) I think I will take a chance at £30. I will do the self test function to make sure it runs ok.

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Re: FCB1010 Midi Foot Switch

Unread post by Les Turnbull » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:32 pm

ModX8 still has DIN type midi sockets so the FCB1010 may work , Looking at the back of the modx8 there are 2 footswitch sockets which will likely be assignable .
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Re: FCB1010 Midi Foot Switch

Unread post by Derek » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:57 pm

Hi. You need to check if the FCB can send out a programmed CC and value for each switch. The MODX scene control is via a single MIDI CC, which you can set in utility mode. E.g. CC value between 0-15 = Scene 1, value between 16-32 = Scene 2, etc.

I know I could do this on my FC300, so no reason why you cannot do it with an FCB. For £30 I would take the chance. :)

Lee mentions that you do have assignable foot switches as well, but once you have used a MIDI foot controller, the flexibility it provides is far superior as synth foot switch assignments tend to be global.
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Re: FCB1010 Midi Foot Switch

Unread post by anotherscott » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:10 pm

Since this is all gear with standard 5-pin MIDI connections, you can definitely connect it, the question is whether you can get it to do what you want. If the MIDI function you are looking to accomplish is something the Yamaha can do with a CC command, then you can do it from the FCB1010, and Derek says scene changes fall into this category. You can also use the Behringer to send Program Changes to change Performances, so that's an alternate way to do sound changes instead of switching scenes. As for superknob pedal control, I don't know off-hand, but worst case, you can use the standard pedal connection to control the superknob, and if your concern was that you wanted to use that pedal for something else, you might be able to use the Behringer pedal for that something else. There is also a 3rd-party upgrade chip you can buy for the FCB which adds more capabilities ("Uno").
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Re: FCB1010 Midi Foot Switch

Unread post by Miks » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:06 pm

I have three of those FCB1010's - one stays at our rehearsal room, the second (mostly lives in a hard case together with it's MIDI cable) is for gigging and the third is for spare :whistle:

All of them are equipped with an UnO 1.0.4 chip which I can highly recommend - you can get them here:

fcb1010.eu/uno.html

The (at least for me) best software to program the FCB1010 is the FCB/UnO Control Center:

fcb1010.uno/

You can download the ControlCenter (available for MAC & Windows) as a demo for free and give it a go - if you really like it purchase the lifetime license for 20 € (~GBP 17,45 / USD 22,60) which in my opinion is very well spent money!

But note: I'm NO expert at all in programming the FCB1010 :doh: - the only gear I'm controlling is a Boss GX-700 Guitar Processor... :whistle:

Some informations re the FCB1010 I've gathered all over the web - they may be of help here and there:
Sourced from the web wrote:I can confirm I've had momentary switches working on my UnO FCB since I got the new firmware. Just to double check, the manual says to program the first sent value (127, in your case), then program a '01' for the second (alternate) sent value, and Disable CC Toggling. The '1' is not sent - it is a flag telling the firmware to treat the switch as momentary. It sends the 'first' value when you press the switch, then sends a zero when the switch is released.

This is really MUCH easier in the Control Center software. If that isn't working, make sure you have a good MIDI interface and/or try turning on Slow mode. Here is the manual procedure in slightly different words, with all the stuff in the middle (programming other things) removed for clarity, just in case it helps.

So, you select the patch you want to program using UP/DOWN to select the bank, then pressing one of the footswitches. Press DOWN for a few seconds to enter programming mode. (NOTE: If you need to program a footswitch that is set as a STOPBOX, you need to hold that footswitch pressed at the same time as you hold the DOWN footswitch.)

You are now able to program Relay Switches, Pedal, and Stombox settings. There's nothing to do here related to the CC's we want to send, so skip it for now by pressing UP to go to the next step - Step 2 in the PDF manual.

Now make sure the LED for switch 8 (for the first CC - CC1) and/or 9 (for the second CC message - CC2) is OFF - this DISABLES Toggle mode. The manual doesn't say, but I assume CC1 and CC2 can both be momentary, both be Toggle, or both be regular CC messages (single message sent for each press-and-release) or any mix you need. Once you have ensured the LED is OFF for the one(s) you want to be Momentary, press UP again to go to Step 3.

Lets set CC1 to momentary for this example. Press footswitch 6 for a couple seconds to ensure the LED is on, enabling CC1. Now press footswitch 6 again (short press this time) to set up the message for CC1. The LED will start flashing. Enter 64 (the Damper / Sustain CC number) using the footswitches or expression pedal A. Press UP to save that. Now enter 127 (the first value) and press UP to save.

Now enter the secondary value as 01. This tells the FCB UnO, along with Toggle being OFF, that you want this preset to be Momentary. Press UP to confirm and save. You are now back to the start of step 3. You can go through it all again to fix a mistake, program CC2 or program any of the other MIDI messages. Once you are done, press DOWN for about 3 seconds to save all your changes and leave Setup mode.

Personally, I am paranoid, so I'll shut off the FCB1010 and restart it, but that is not necessary. Everything should work the way you need it to right away.
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Each button is individually programmable to send zero-to-five PC commands and/or zero-to-two CC commands. You decide what combination of PC's & CC's makes sense for you. So just sending CC' s is fine.

One thing to note: each numbered PC (1-5) & CC (1-2) slot has it's MIDI channel configured globally. So if CC1 is configured to transmit on channel 5 and CC2 is configured for channel 1, each button that uses CC1 will transmit the programmed CC code on channel 5. And likewise, each button that uses CC2 will send it's information on channel 1.
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Re: FCB1010 Midi Foot Switch

Unread post by maax555 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:16 am

Thanks all, this is all encouraging. I picked up the unit last night. Even though it has a delivery sticker on the box dating to 2009 it looks in fantastic condition. Manual is unopened. All i need now is mt Modx8 to arrive :-)

I have already downloaded one free editor by Ed Dixon. I have seen the Uno chip used in many Youtube videos but I thought this was only if you are wanting to use as a guitar midi controller?

I searched Youtube but could not find a single instance of the FCB1010 being used with the Montage/Modx.

I have a S61MK11 Komplete Keyboard with Cubase 9.5/Komplete Ultimate/Omnisphere/Steonberg VSTs and more so may try to get to grips with programming it for this setup until Modx8 arrives.
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Re: FCB1010 Midi Foot Switch

Unread post by Saul » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:12 pm

Good opportunity for you to lead the way here maax. Personally I think the FCB1010 is versatile enough to work with the MODX and many other keyboards. Will be very interesting to know for sure though.
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Re: FCB1010 Midi Foot Switch

Unread post by anotherscott » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:08 pm

maax555 wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:16 am
I have seen the Uno chip used in many Youtube videos but I thought this was only if you are wanting to use as a guitar midi controller?
It's useful if it does something you need. There's nothing inherently guitar or keyboard exclusive in the setup. There are probably just more guitarists than keyboardists. Or at least more of them into fancy pedals. ;-)
maax555 wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:16 am
I searched Youtube but could not find a single instance of the FCB1010 being used with the Montage/Modx.
Saul wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:12 pm
Good opportunity for you to lead the way here maax. Personally I think the FCB1010 is versatile enough to work with the MODX and many other keyboards. Will be very interesting to know for sure though.
There are a zillion keyboards out there that work with the FCB1010... every keyboard that has 5-pin MIDI jacks and accepts any kind of MIDI control input (for patch changes, or anything else). Essentially, almost any MIDI keyboard ever made (apart from newer low end models that have USB to the exclusion of standard MIDI ports). Most don't have videos. But yes, the FCB1010 will work with a MODX, pretty much by definition. Now, exactly what it will and won't be able to *do* will depend on the board. But it will let you do anything that the board can do via MIDI CC. Every board should come with some kind of MIDI implementation chart. You'll want to download the MODX Data List to find all the MIDI controllable functions of the MODX.
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