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Rock / Metal Guitars

Unread post by vertig0spin » Thu May 02, 2019 5:46 pm

Any recommendations on 'Preset' Performances with the best/closest sounding guitar sounds (distortion &/or overdrive) for 80's rock / metal, both for crunch chords, muted and solos? Even if you can recommend distortion/overdrive effects & settings that would be good for 80's rock / metal guitars that would be great...

I may do some covers of Def Leppard, Van Halen, Europe, Night Ranger, Warrant, Winger, Whitesnake, Dokken, etc.
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Unread post by Ivan Jochner » Fri May 03, 2019 6:18 pm

Hi, the library is called " AXXE" guitars which is used on XF and XS i think can be converted to Modx as well.


Its pretty tough to get right sounding rythm rock guitar, they all sound plastic, for solo playing the situation is a bit easier.
I have sculpted Joe Satriani's guitar patch back in the days, i can send you that patch if its right for your ears.
(For now i am experimenting on sampling the best VST guitars for my Motif Xs)

Search "Crystal Planet" by Ivan Jochner on Youtube can not upload somehow the link.
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Unread post by vertig0spin » Fri May 24, 2019 1:49 pm

So I think I've found a decent distortion/overdrive effect/setting for 80's hair band crunch rhythm; however I've noticed that no matter what 'clean electric guitar' waveform/elements I use, nor what distortion/overdrive effect/settings I set, when hitting simple 3 note rock/bar chords (i.e. C2-G2-C3) it is not always smooth and there are varying waves that can be heard, almost like the strings are not perfectly in tune. So I tried various clean electric guitars without any distortion and I can hear the same thing with varying waves, but sometimes none at all (but to a lesser degree, as distortion amplifies the issue).
Is there an EQ, compression or something I need to apply as an effect first to avoid this issue? Is it maybe because the clean electric guitar samples were not sampled directly from a guitar 1/4" output, but instead from mic'ing the amp..!? If this might be the issue, whereby the waveform sound samples are from an already mic'd amp, that we are then applying distortion affects & possibly amplification to an already mic'd amp sound, thereby causing random waves in guitar chords?
If yes, then it begs the question, are there any guitar elements/waveforms on the Montage/MODX that were sampled directly from the guitar's 1/4" output jack, as opposed to from a mic'd amp?
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Unread post by GregC » Fri May 24, 2019 3:57 pm

Hi everyone, new here. Very interested in MODX.

Guitars are a priority. MODX guitars are very good/excellent. Distortion guitars I am not sure about.

I don't hear the classic "Claptonesque ' or anything approaching the classic Hendrix tone.
I realize performance is 80% [or more] of duplicating classic guitar tones.

Following this topic to get a better understanding of how Yamaha has implemented
distortion.
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Unread post by vertig0spin » Fri May 24, 2019 4:31 pm

GregC wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 3:57 pm
Guitars are a priority. MODX guitars are very good/excellent. Distortion guitars I am not sure about.

Following this topic to get a better understanding of how Yamaha has implemented
distortion.
Welcome to the forum!

I think the MODX & Montage both have excellent distortions & overdrive effects. I think the issue for me is with the source sample waveforms. They are high quality samples of clean electric guitars; however they appear to be sampled from a great quality amplifier (either directly out of the amp or through a high quality mic), when what I think that I need is something sampled directly from the 1/4" output of the guitar itself..!?
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Unread post by GregC » Fri May 24, 2019 5:01 pm

vertig0spin wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 4:31 pm
GregC wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 3:57 pm
Guitars are a priority. MODX guitars are very good/excellent. Distortion guitars I am not sure about.

Following this topic to get a better understanding of how Yamaha has implemented
distortion.
Welcome to the forum!

I think the MODX & Montage both have excellent distortions & overdrive effects. I think the issue for me is with the source sample waveforms. They are high quality samples of clean electric guitars; however they appear to be sampled from a great quality amplifier (either directly out of the amp or through a high quality mic), when what I think that I need is something sampled directly from the 1/4" output of the guitar itself..!?
good to see you here ! I think your theory is sound.

Whats needed is a variety of amp based models plus FX added to a ' classic guitar tone'. I am not sure I hear a Strat or Gibson SG
with some basic amp model crunch .

There are a few ways to get interesting distortion- but I think the best is a ' building block' approach.

I guess with guitar amps , they have to mic it. Older guitar amps did not have a digital or analog line out, of course.
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