Steinberg Yamaha ASIO Driver with UR28M and CP88; trouble.

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Steinberg Yamaha ASIO Driver with UR28M and CP88; trouble.

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Steinberg Yamaha ASIO Driver with UR28M and CP88; trouble.

I have been using Steinberg UR28m and Cubase with satisfaction for some time. I just bought me a Yamaha CP88. One of the reasons for my choice was my hope of a good integration with the Steinberg / Yamaha ecosystem. Turn out this is not the case.

My system: Cubase Elements, Win 10 running on powerful i7 / 32 Gigs / M.2 system. Steinberg UR28M as an audio interface and Yamaha CP88 as my main instrument

I want to do something simple. At least it seems simple in my mind. Record some midi stuff from CP88 into Cubase Elements and have Cubase play it back into CP88. From there I would like to have the audio sent it back to Cubase over USB so that I have eventually an audio file in Cubase of my Midi performance.

First problem. The Yamaha Steinberg ASIO driver is a single piece for both UR28M and CP88. Turns out not a great idea. In the ASIO control panel you can choose either CP88 or UR28 as an interface, not both at the same time. Even worst, you can't have one of them function as audio in and the other as audio out (which is what I would need, having USB audio output from CP88 into Cubase audio input and Cubase audio output into UR28. No such luck. You have to use either on or the other. Why, I should have bought another audio interface. Never mind.

Second problem. The USB audio output of CP88 is temperamental. Loses the port, have to close and restart Cubase. Never mind again. Eventually I can record my live performance from CP88 into Cubase audio via USB. For some reason the audio level is very very low. The meter while playing looks healthy but the track eventually recorded is very very flimsy.

Yes, probably I could workaround this by recording analog audio into Cubase instead of insisting on recording USB audio; I was hoping of saving me some cable spaghetti. Better still, I will end up buying another cheap audio interface just for the task.

Bottom line. CP88 is good, the keybed is excellent actually. So is Cubase and UR28 of course but:
- Having a single driver for both is a very bad idea
- The quality of the USB audio on the CP88 is very poor. Unstable, erratic, totally non flexible, unacceptable low audio output.

Or have I done something wrong ?

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Re: Steinberg Yamaha ASIO Driver with UR28M and CP88; trouble.

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Hi Mark,

I have been facing the same problems as you did...
Tried to use the CP88 in combination with Cubase AI and UR22 MKII, but no way...
It looks like it is not possible to run Cubase with more that 1 audio interface, and the internal interface in the CP88 can not be switched off.
It IS possible to go this way if you use the ASIO4ALL driver (you can select 2 or more audio interfaces) instead of the Yamaha Steinberg, but in this case the latency is very poor..
Best solution would be, to be able to switch of the internal interface in the CP88, load it as an external instrument in Cubase (via USB) and use an external interface like the UR22..

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Re: Steinberg Yamaha ASIO Driver with UR28M and CP88; trouble.

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Yes, this is a sneaky little bummer for most of us who go out and buy a computer with Windows only to find out in the music production ecosystem there is this horrible limitation - only one USB audio interface allowed. I bought a UR interface years ago and it is a fine piece of equipment but then I was SOO surprised when I got my MODX7 and found that if I use the dandy capabilities on its USB interface I must put the UR in the closet.

I think in your case you should use the UR for your USB interface and plug the keyboard into it.

In my case I have to use the MODX7 as my USB interface so that means microphones must be plugged into the MODX7 - really not what I want to do.

So now I am thinking I will get a Tascam 12 for microphone inputs. I can work within the Tascam, compiling audio 'demo tracks' for keyboard parts that will be later replaced with the MODX7, along with guitars and horns and vocals. Then I can connect the Tascam to Cubase with its USB interface and copy everything over, then disconnect the Tascam and connect the MODX7 to finish everything out in Cubase.

Not sure about the switching of drivers? Any ideas about 'de-activating' the Yamaha/Steinberg USB driver so I can use the Tascam USB driver?

I will need to look into a USB switch of some kind to avoid constant plugging and unplugging of the USB cables.


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professor wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:25 am In my case I have to use the MODX7 as my USB interface so that means microphones must be plugged into the MODX7 - really not what I want to do.

So now I am thinking I will get a Tascam 12 for microphone inputs. I can work within the Tascam, compiling audio 'demo tracks' for keyboard parts that will be later replaced with the MODX7, along with guitars and horns and vocals. Then I can connect the Tascam to Cubase with its USB interface and copy everything over, then disconnect the Tascam and connect the MODX7 to finish everything out in Cubase.

Not sure about the switching of drivers? Any ideas about 'de-activating' the Yamaha/Steinberg USB driver so I can use the Tascam USB driver?

I will need to look into a USB switch of some kind to avoid constant plugging and unplugging of the USB cables.
Yeah Prof. - this IS a major Pain . . . I don't own a MODX btw, but I've only heard (mostly) good things about them . . .

I'll bet the Mic inputs DON'T have 48v capability, for instance . . . . . ? Which is why you need other means, for mics. :roll:

If you are lucky enough to have a "Switch on and WORK" installation, then you don't really want to be reconfiguring it so your

DAW can SEE the mixer.

It'd be nice if MS would DO SOMETHING about multiple I/Fs, instead of just dealing out more eye-candy in their updates? (Sigh).

I suppose we should be grateful that Yamaha chose to leave Din-Midi ON the MODX?

On many boards, it's been REPLACED by usb-midi - which effectively excludes it from the legacy setups that we

ALL understand. :roll:

Adds a whole new meaning to "Plug and Play" - or should that read "Re-Plug and Play"? :lol: :roll:

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