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Just as we 're getting comfortable with Yamaha, Roland and Casio . . .

Unread post by parametric » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:18 pm

Here comes "The River" from Baloran . . . . . .WARM - or What?

It will be interesting to see what MINEFIELD of Banana-skins, BREXIT presents to prospective UK purchasers . . . :confusion-confused:






Vangelis on the river by Baloran.jpg

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Re: Just as we 're getting comfortable with Yamaha, Roland and Casio . . .

Unread post by EXer » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:57 pm

The River has been well known by the French analog synths enthousiasts for 5 years now.

The project started in 2014 on the "Anafrog" forum. It has been designed and made by one man, Laurent, and it is basically a polysynth with 8 voices, each voice is a Moog The Source, hence its name: many sources make a river.

The 1st functional prototype came out in 2016 and the 1st production batch was issued in 2017.

Now Baloran is selling the 3rd batch.

It really *is* a fantastic synth. In French I would say "brut de décoffrage" (something raw and beefy, something with balls, no compromise made on the quality of the sound, not a sanitized characterless well behaved product like most of the current modern analog synths).

Unfortunately, the prise has risen: 1st batch (2017) 5040 €, 2nd batch (2018) 5520 €, 3rd batch (2019) 5990 €.

But as we say, le prix s'oublie, la qualité reste.

If you read French, the whole story is here.
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Unread post by Saul » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:07 pm

I guess things like this will always be of interest to some but in terms of sound I have heard it all before. Nothing original here. It could be any synth, software, hardware or mix of the two. The market is saturated and has been for a very long time. If you didn't know what it was how would you identify it from all the other synths out there, software and hardware?
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Unread post by EXer » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:11 pm

You have to hear it for yourself in real life in order to make a valid judgement.

You cannot make an informed opinion from YT vids.
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Re: Just as we 're getting comfortable with Yamaha, Roland and Casio . . .

Unread post by jima » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:12 pm

EXer wrote:
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But as we say, le prix s'oublie, la qualité reste.
How true. Not just for synths, either.
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Re: Just as we 're getting comfortable with Yamaha, Roland and Casio . . .

Unread post by Saul » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:18 pm

EXer wrote:
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You have to hear it for yourself in real life in order to make a valid judgement.

You cannot make an informed opinion from YT vids.
I can. I just did. And it is not impressive. Doesn't matter how many knobs, buttons or anything else it has. It is a huge 8 voice synth that doesn't produce sounds I have not heard anywhere else before. There simply isn't anything new in the synth world. It is old sounds and old tech rehashed over and over again. BUT, that is only my opinion. That is not to say others should not be impressed with it or think it is something new. FOR ME it isn't. The older I get the more cynical I become :character-oldtimer:
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Unread post by parametric » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:05 am

I have to say that I LIKE the look of it. I LOVE the Wood.

Construction of that quality is going to COST . . . but the price for me is just too high for what's on offer. (IMO)

There are many other boards I'd be looking at for a spend that size . . . .

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Re: Just as we 're getting comfortable with Yamaha, Roland and Casio . . .

Unread post by EXer » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:15 am

Do you recognize who's playing the River? (hint: identify the Yamaha synth behind the River on the 2nd pic :wink: )

He said he appreciated the sonic identity of the River.

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Unread post by Derek » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:13 pm

Yup. Vangelis and CS80.

Saul, I think the endless rehash argument can apply to all sorts of things. We still buy cars with four wheels and bikes with two wheels, and guitars with six strings, a fretboard, sound board, etc. Apart from shape changes, guitars haven’t evolved much either. ;)

So agree that there is little new in the world these days, but that doesn’t stop people making new takes on old ideas.

The original fixed architecture analog synth model has provided to be very adaptable. Oscillator, Filter, Amp, EGs and LFO. You even still see it in workstations with oscillators replaced with samples (including samples of oscillators).

Whether people will like it or not and want to buy one will depend on all sorts of subjective factors. For me there is still room for a hybrid analog synth in my rig - indeed I will soon be looking at one. I have the best that Korg and Yamaha offer, a shit load of VSTs, but there is still something about an analog synth that is quite special. And no, it will not be one of these!

Horses for courses, and different strokes for different folks! :)
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Unread post by Saul » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:14 pm

Yeah I am just getting to be very cynical in my old age Derek. Not much out there now that makes me sit up and take notice.

I see people getting all excited about small boxes that make bleep sounds and huge heavy expensive but limited keyboards that don't produce any sounds I have not heard before. I just don't get it. :think:

Each to their own of course (Y)
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Unread post by Derek » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:26 pm

I have always said that for a synth aficionado, it's like a guitar aficionado. Why does Steve Howe gig with loads of guitars instead of just one? (discounting the fact that he can afford guitar roadies and techs to do all of the lugging and setup!). They all make guitar like sounds, but they all have different tone and character. Is that important to you? It depends. I know other guitar players who pretty much only use one guitar as they get all they want out of it.

Moog, Prophet, Oberheim, Roland, Korg and Yamaha synths and many others all use the same basic subtractive synth architecture, but they all sound different. Does that matter? Depends on your view point! :) You will never get a zingy Moog sound out of a Prophet.

I get very different sounds out of my Korg than I do out of my Yamaha.
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Unread post by Saul » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:09 pm

I'm the "one guitar with a spare just in case a string breaks" kind of guy. Or I would be if I gigged.

At home I have several guitars, all out on stands never hidden away in cases and I play all of them at intervals through the day. They all sound different and feel different to play.

I guess my interest in synths is just not as strong as my interest in acoustic guitars. I do have a keen interest in acoustic pianos though (Y)
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Unread post by Derek » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:43 pm

Saul wrote:
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I'm the "one guitar with a spare just in case a string breaks" kind of guy. Or I would be if I gigged.

At home I have several guitars, all out on stands never hidden away in cases and I play all of them at intervals through the day. They all sound different and feel different to play.

I guess my interest in synths is just not as strong as my interest in acoustic guitars. I do have a keen interest in acoustic pianos though (Y)
And that's my point. :)

As a synth fan, I can spot different ones in songs, but I would struggle to do that with guitars. :)
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Unread post by shelly0624 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:10 pm

I had three guitars, my Yamaha, which was my favorite, a large-bodied Epiphone, and a 12 string. There were occasions when I would dig out the other two because it would suit a certain song ..but the Yamaha always got the most love and use. Maybe nobody else is this way, but I formed a bond with my favorite instrument. I think a lot of guitar players do that. (Unless you're Leo Kotke, who not only had scads of them ..but also a room for "misbehaving" guitars).

I'm learning keyboard.. I don't know if I'll enter the world of the snyth. Not likely. The MZ has limited synth capabilities, which I've played with, but I'm just busy learning HOW to play. There are a lot of things available for keyboard and synth musicians nowadays. Even affordable instruments that do a LOT. Wow, It's addicting to see new things on YouTube. I'm always doing it, now that I'm learning. Just the technology, even, not only the amazing sounds, are incredible. I have huge respect for musicians who can play more than one instrument, like Saul and others here on this forum. (Everything is new to me at this point. I'm like Alice in Wonderland).

All of this to say, though -- as a guitar player, I tended to play my favorite instrument with less attention to the others. Maybe not so much with people who play keys... and maybe other guitar players use a variety of instruments. Just not me.
Oh geez, I miss my guitar..ouch. :( ..a little bittersweet because I'm also finding out how many new chord voicings you can achieve with keyboard. Something new, even at my age.
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Unread post by Derek » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:11 pm

It's good to try and right on a different instrument if you can as it gets you out of a rut. I am mainly a keyboard player who dabbles in guitar, but writing on guitar gave me a completely different approach to writing compared to what I do on keyboards.
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