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Chaos Germany!

Unread post by purcell » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:46 am

The Martin Schulz "Mister 100%" drama SPD ...sinking ship!

Schulz left the sinking ship SPD today. He is gone! From 100 % in January 2017 to 5 % - 0% in February 2018!
Schulz against Gabriel ... in the real fight for the foreign minister post. Public in all media. Gabriel upset!
Gabriel angry over Schulz! Public!

The SPD today stopped the SCHULZ drama. The winner is Gabriel. Schulz was rebuked by the North Rhine-Westphalian SPD.

This is just a brief information.

Never before - in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany - has there been such a CHAOS and damaging election drama.

All of this already has very negative worldwide consequences for Germany.

Stagnation, delays, everything is unclear - even the goals of the "government" are unclear. extremely important things are not processed!
Digitalization, solid future planning ... etc. Everything is not available! Without a stable government. Look at the DAX!

SPD out! MERKEL gone? NO GROKO - Jusos . Minority government? New Elections?... = CHAOS!
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Unread post by Saul » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:30 am

That is partly why we tend not to have coalition government in the UK. Look what happened when Theresa May called an election thinking she would win a comfortable majority and instead she had to do deal with the DUP. That weakened her government.

Coalitions in government are like the EU but on a smaller scale. In the EU you have 28 countries all with their own interests pushing and pulling, constantly arguing. It's a nightmare to come up with any consensus.

With a Majority government you still have problems of course but not like you see in places like Germany right now.
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Re: Chaos Germany!

Unread post by purcell » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:41 am

That drama "THE NEW SPD - SUPERSTAR Mister 100% " Martin Schulz
in January 2017 chancellor candidate... until his 0 % today - is outstanding!

All these ambiguities, the incapacity of the government, the endless time...will lead to big problems here.
The whole condition is a big problem. Next problems - next week? Next month?

SPD WARS - The Gabriel strikes back.
Martin Schulz from minister of foreign affairs to simple member of the Bundestag within 12 hours.
No SPD chairman anymore! Delivered to Nahles! That was Martin Schulz BLACK FRIDAY!

Prediction: Either there is a minority government here. Or there are new elections. No GROKO! The SPD is at the end! They are history!
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Unread post by tux » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:13 am

Most countries would be better off without a government. Belgium was doing just fine when they didn't have a government for a couple of years some years ago.
And the SPD is a dead man walking anyway unless they find a leader like Corbyn among themselves, the Eurocrat Schulz and the fat cat Gabriel are the opposite of what a social democratic party leader should be.
And no, there is no chaos in Germany, normal life goes on as usual.
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Unread post by Derek » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:56 am

With respect, I think that is a simplistic view. It is nice to think that Belgium was getting on quite nicely without a Government for years (as has Germany for four months), but the reality is that it was the inertia of bureaucracy and the continued function of the civil service (or Belgium equivalent) that kept the wheels of the country turning - a bit like how a headless chicken can keep running about for a while ... ;)

Governments are by no means perfect, but a necessary evil. The alternative to Government, if you go back far enough, is little fiefdoms and civil wars. Would we want to go back to that?

Saul is bang on. The current UK government's predicament is due to May completely misreading the runes, along with our skewed constituency boundaries, and a piss poor Tory election campaign (vote for me or get Corbyn), which resulted in the Tories just clinging to power with a minority Government propped up by the DUP who are extracting what they can whilst they can.

Good Government works best when you have a strong Government and a strong opposition to hold them in check. Right now we have neither, which is whythey are making such a fist of of the BREXIT negotiations.
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Unread post by Saul » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:22 am

The situation with Belgium is that they did have a government it just wasn't an "elected" one. The civil service is effectively "the government" and the people we elect are the ones who set the agenda and direction that government will take. So Belgium was able to carry on pretty much as normal however they were simply carrying on in the direction they had already been given by the previous elected officials. That could only ever be a temporary solution.

No one is pretending for one moment that "elected" governments are perfect. There is normally a large compromise in people's voting decisions and the sad truth is we end up voting for the best of a bad bunch rather than the people we mostly agree with.

If you happen to lean toward say the Green Party in the UK your vote essentially doesn't count or doesn't achieve anything because they have no chance of being elected under the current system. That, to me is not the way to build a representative government but then you come to proportional representation which is a better way to do it but often results in coalition governments that spend most of their time involved in a power struggle between all the vested interests.

The German government has been in this situation of flux for many years but then they have some pretty hefty issues to deal with, none of which are easily resolved. Keeping everyone happy is not a realistic proposition. There will always be sizeable minorities that will kick back against the decisions you take...but that is why we have opposition parties, to hold the elected government to account.

Germany needs a strong majority government but I can't see that happening any time soon. We could do with one ourselves! ;)
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Re: Chaos Germany!

Unread post by purcell » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:02 pm

GROKO !?!

Even more restlessness! For the last time, 463,723 SPD members are allowed to vote on a coalition agreement. YES or NO !
If NO ... it´s NO GROKO! .... If YES it is GROKO...but for how long???

If the SPD continues to decompose itself ... and crumbles ... the GROKO will crumble too.
The SPD is at the end! That is going to have consequences.

Stability and reliability are completely different.

Martin Schulz ... the worst SPD party chairman since the SPD exists! A total miscast.
His major problem: Always the same story.
Say that today ... and tomorrow will do the opposite. And that for over a year! Incomprehensible!
Absolutely unbelievable, how this liar ... 100% of the members' votes for the chancellor could get candidature.
In january 2017! Over a year of lies and opposites the next day!
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Unread post by Derek » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:15 pm

Welcome to the insane world of politics ;)
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Unread post by purcell » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:38 pm

After Trump,Brexit,May,...now it´s the SPD to vote for GROKO (for the last time!)! YES or NO?
Trump,Brexit and May tell me this: It´s always the opposite you would expect!!!

So it´s NO for the GROKO! ...And after NEW ELECTIONS the same thing appears again!... "JAMAICA TWO!" :mrgreen:

Here are extremely important things to be decided! In the long run! ...and fast! ENERGY;HEALTH;INTERNET;MONEY;etc.
Fast internet! for ex. absolutely overdue ... is far too late anyway - if? .. at all. Which state can afford a slow, sluggish internet today?
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Unread post by Saul » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:52 pm

There is an awful lot of people involved in electing leaders of the various parties but mostly these people are not the general public! We only get to vote on what is presented to us by each party. That person may not necessarily be the best person for the job but has perhaps struck agreements with various interests including unions, business leaders and donors. Perhaps the best person for the job was not willing to do deals behind the publics back so we don't get to vote them into power.

There are many layers of manipulation and self interest that we don't see in politics. This is why we tend to end up with half way solutions to long standing issues. The people who would do a really great job don't get anywhere near the level that would allow them to bring real change for the benefit of the country instead of the benefit of the few.

Alternatives? I can't think of any :(
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Re: Chaos Germany!

Unread post by purcell » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:46 pm

A lot of other countries are happy about the standstill, the delays and the unclear circumstances here.
"The competition is pleased." ... weak germany? Welcome!!! (MONEY!)
a lot of ambassadors - German embassy - are unsure and have no clear instructions.
That must not be permanent. The whole election theater must also be finished or be finished.

It is a lot unclear ... or not clear at all - in Germany. no industrial country can tolerate this permanently.
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Unread post by Saul » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:15 am

I am trying to think about how many countries would be happy about instability in Germany and I think there are not many...apart from Russia of course, who no doubt had a hand in destabilising things.

Germany is a huge economy and a very important one. It certainly doesn't benefit the rest of the EU for Germany to be weakened by political in-fighting.
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Re: Chaos Germany!

Unread post by purcell » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:06 am

Who benefits from a weak, unstable Germany? ... Who benefits from a weak, unstable Great Britain?
Very easy! The Others! :mrgreen: ... the competitors! Cars, import - export etc. etc. = France,China,India,Russia,USA etc.
Simply imagine our slow internet! That slows down all and everything! Business,etc.
Our Industry managers, research, development become crazy.
How should one be able to reasonably plan something, under these completely unclear circumstances?
Without a perfect government. which is the dream anyway. A perfect government. 0-)

The Union and the SPD do not understand the signals

However, the longer the country functions under a federal government that is only in charge of acting, the more the Chancellor and Co. refute themselves.
Germany is entering 2018 without a new elected government. Obviously, especially the two so-called people's parties have not understood the signal that voters have given on September 24, 2017.

Precisely because the external challenges are getting bigger and the social and economic interests in the interior diverge, they have de facto voted out of parliamentary majorities that are dissecting their policies in the back room. The affairs should be clarified on the table of the parliament and the population as largest as possible into the solution search be involved.

The dislocations that have taken place only the Jamaican parties and now continue the grand coalition of CDU / CSU and SPD, are the exact opposite. The exit show by Christian Lindner was just the pinnacle of a policy that people in the country are simply tired of, because they do not look at the worries and hardships that are on their nails, but preferring to circle around themselves , How Bavaria and Saxony came to new prime ministers, this has once again shown emphatically.

The only argument repeatedly made to justify the continuation of outdated rituals is stability. Without coalition majority in parliament, Germany was not stable and could not live up to its responsibilities in Europe and the world. The longer the country operates under a federal government that only works in office, the more refuted Chancellor and Co. themselves. With the past stability, the EU was endangered as never before, the arms export increased, organized the largest low-wage sector and millions of precarious jobs in Germany ,

Germany now needs courage to go new ways, which are prevented by a questionable stability of coalition rationale, fractional pressure and lobbyist influence. The perfectly right idea of ​​a solidarity health insurance, in which all pay in from all sources and who prefers no one because of his purse, has from the outset no chance in coalition negotiations with the Union. That could be different in Parliament with a corresponding social pressure. It is the same with the withdrawal of US nuclear weapons from Germany. Here, too, a majority in the parliament, which has long existed in the population, would be imaginable.
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Re: Chaos Germany!

Unread post by purcell » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:43 pm

Political instability

Germany is looking for the super-chancellor

So far the Federal Republic has been regarded as a global anchor of stability. But that is changing:
The chaos of leadership in the SPD has the potential to trigger an explosive chain reaction.

In the land of boredom suddenly something is going on.
Until Friday, the political Germany seemed still nicely ordered.
GroKo again - well-known staff, modest changes, no departure.
The next grand coalition did not promise Germany, Europe and the rest of the world much, but at least one thing: stability.

And now that! The SPD displaces its chairman, who has just passed the GroKo negotiations and successfully completed.
Martin Schulz is gone.
How and by whom the party base should now be convinced of the agreement to the coalition agreement is open.
Now an explosive chain reaction could get going.

The Federal Republic, which has always seemed like a rock in a sea of ​​uncertainty in recent years, is suddenly staggering.

It is quite possible that we are close to the meltdown of the German party system - with far-reaching consequences.
This is by no means exaggerated. What was possible elsewhere can also happen in Germany
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Turbo Democracy meets turbo-capitalism

Hardly anything stays as it was. Fundamental structural change is currently disrupting political systems. Firm party structures are no longer absolutely necessary for political success: new movements can be organized quickly via Facebook, Twitter & Co. The ties to traditional milieus and major organizations such as churches or unions have eased. In other words, the barriers to entry into the political market have become low. Activists and political start-ups gain tremendous impact.

The new political framework has what it takes to produce dramatic changes. We live in times of turbo-democratism, a highly agile system that, however, like turbo-capitalism, is extremely sensitive to crises.

My Prediction: NO GROKO!...Because nowadays always the opposite happens! "May" ---for another JAMAICA 2 HANGOVER !
and another chaos delay of 2 years...after the first election!
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Re: Chaos Germany!

Unread post by Saul » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:08 pm

Not really seeing much about 'Chaos Germany' in the world press. I appreciate it may look serious from within the country but from the outside there doesn't appear to be very much to worry about.
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