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Re: Some more gigs for parametric . . . .

Unread post by SysExJohn » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:49 pm

Thought you might appreciate that, Chris.

Yup, a tenor clef, and all hand written upon hand produced staves, no preprinted stationery in those days, all done with a five quill pen.
And the quill written notes and lyrics?
That is the hand of the grandpapa of western music, no less then Herrn Joh. Seb. Bach himself.
It's a "part" from Cantata #8.

Most of his surviving scores have now been scanned and reside at bach-digital.de.

What I discovered a while back was just how expensive paper was in those days.
An order of paper (probably a ream, maybe less) cost 2 florins and some groshen.
Bach's salary as Cappelmeister was 250 florins per annum at the end of his 2nd stay Weimar.
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Re: Some more gigs for parametric . . . .

Unread post by parametric » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:48 pm

Well, ~10% of his monthly Salary for a box of Paper seems quite dear - and it must have been an ongoing concern given his enormous output.

That sample apart from looking rather grubby (not surprising given its age) There seems (to me) to be to be a deal of alteration going on . . .

Well, I guess with THAT price of paper, you are not going to be screwing it up an a ball and toss it in the waste basket? :lol: :lol:

In places it LOOKS like there is a kind of "print-through" happening too? Maybe just adjacent sheets stored in contact?

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Re: Some more gigs for parametric . . . .

Unread post by SysExJohn » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:53 am

Indeed, quite a sum.

However, Bach was not usually in the position of having to buy the paper himself, it was provided for him by his employer.
Nonetheless, it was not a commodity that could be lightly used, in the way that we do. Make a mistake, chuck it away and do it again.
No, no! Paper was a scarce commodity, and not in the possession of the everyday mortal, as it is today.

There are instances of one or more of his apprentice copyists making a mistake, which was angrily (it appears) crossed out by Bach, and the correct notation written by JSB. The sheets with massive crossings out are still retained as part of the score.
It usually occurs where transcribing instruments (e.g. oboe d'amore (minor third down) and oboe da caccia or taille (major fifth down)) were employed.
The parts creators had to create instrumental parts from Bach's original score, transcribing as they went, not a mere copyist.

I find it highly fascinating that we can now examine these scores in their original.

The scores have indeed taken on a different colour due to age, giving the typical yellowed hue of old paper.
The ink too, I dare say, has become more brown than it, perhaps, originally was.
The blotchiness is because they always used both sides of each sheet. Therefore there is always bleed through from the ink, using a quill to write.
Even where an instrumental part doesn't use the second side, clearly a low level apprentice (?) has drawn staves on both sides prior to its use.
Every page, apart from the paper used to bind the scores together, is entirely lined on both sides. Sometimes with a distinct curve to the staves.

The paper too is a little wider than we use, often being nine or more inches wide, and varying in length from fourteen to fifteen inches.
The edges seem always to be very ragged.

Here's an example, which appears straight edged on the left only because it is part of a bound copy held together on one edge with ribbon.

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In this case it is Bach scribbling out his hastily written part and rewriting it.
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Re: Some more gigs for parametric . . . .

Unread post by parametric » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:09 am

I've been asked to take part with the ECC for a New Album by Rick Wakeman.

Rick has requested Sessions for May 6/7/8 at Angel Studios, Islington (Same as we did for the King Arthur Album).

Content will be Classically oriented, Choir, Strings, Piano with various combinations of these . . .

Music is being committed to paper as we speak, but I believe it to be in keeping with Rick's very successful "Piano

Portraits" Project - that he's been touring . . .

Hopefully we'll get to see the Music in good time for the sessions . . . .

Latest info from the Man himself is here: http://www.rwcc.com/gorr.asp

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Re: Some more gigs for parametric . . . .

Unread post by monsterjazzlicks » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:58 pm

Chris,

Good stuff; I hope it goes well ...

Ta,

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Re: Some more gigs for parametric . . . .

Unread post by parametric » Wed May 09, 2018 5:01 pm

Rick Wakeman Session May 6th, 7th and 8th 2018 at Angel Studios, London

Well, Classically Oriented is Partly True, but the Track list proved most interesting . . . .

This is what we recorded - (in no particular order):

Largoes (Wakeman)
Liebestraum/After the Ball (Liszt/Arr. Wakeman)
Cyril Wolverine* (Wakeman)
The Boxer (Paul Simon/ Arr. Wakeman)
Strawberry Fields Forever (Lennon & McCartney/Arr. Wakeman)
Roundabout (Yes, Arr. Wakeman)
Bohemian Rhapsody (Freddie Mercury - Arr. Wakeman)
The Wild eyed Boy from Freecloud (David Bowie - Arr. Wakeman)
While my Guitar Gently Weeps (Harrison/Arr. Wakeman)
Rocky (The Legacy)* (Wakeman)
And You & I (Yes - Arr. Wakeman)
Jane Seymour (Wakeman)

The two tracks marked * are to do with the Moon Bears Project which Rick supports, and refer to

two Moon Bears, one of which sadly died recently . . .

It was interesting to perform some of these famous songs in a new "guise", with Rick's hallmark Piano playing

woven in amongst them.

Difficult to get an impression of how the finished tracks will sound as we didn't get to hear our contribution

with ALL of the other Instruments already recorded.

We mostly had Rick's Piano part in our cans, with the occasional addition of a click-track, to help with

alterations in tempo at some points . . .

Bohemian Rhapsody particularly needed this . . . .

Rick was present throughout in the C/R - following the score at all times.

Small edits/corrections were done on the fly, and marked in, in pencil as we went along . . . .

All in all, very enjoyable to do. The recording process was smooth and efficient and well managed by the team.

We could hear the directions from the Recording Engineer in our cans - requesting another take, or

"moving on" to the next section . . .

Rick's comments were not in our cans, but relayed to Guy (conducting us), and he (Rick) was occasionally

asked about Musical "anomalies" that cropped up from time to time as we went along . . .

Guy occasionally relayed these to us, and there was a fair bit of humourous "banter" going on between

Rick and Guy, which was great to see - and lightened the whole experience . . .

At the end, Rick said that the Album would probably appear around August, and depending on the success

of the Piano Portraits Tour, about to start, funding might become available to tour the CD . . .

We'll see.

I did ask Rick,(purely as an incidental) if there might be the possibility of Performing the Return to the

Centre of the Earth
, which we recorded back in 2009 at CTI Wembly . . . .

To which the reply was that "There was a possibility" - It was being considered . . .

Meantime, a few pics. in the Studio:
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Foreground positions for the String Players
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Studio General View
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A row of Neumann Condenser Mikes for the Choir
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Rick and Guy 1
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Rick and Guy 2
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Rick and Chris

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Re: Some more gigs for parametric . . . .

Unread post by Buzzard » Wed May 09, 2018 5:37 pm

That could very well be worth listening to ((i))

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Re: Some more gigs for parametric . . . .

Unread post by Derek » Wed May 09, 2018 7:42 pm

Sounds interesting. Some eclectic song choices there
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