Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

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Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by Elixxrx66 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:56 pm

I’ve been reading on all these other online forums where people are saying, over and over, that the Yamaha Revstar is nothing but a rip off, looks-wise, of a Reverend Sensei. After looking at pictures of Reverend Sensei guitars they are strikingly similar as far as their body shapes go but since the idea for the Revstar’s body was their most famous model, the SG-2000 and it looks like a modernized version of the Yamaha SG-2000...and since we all know the SG-2000 came out in the 70’s I’d say it’s the other way around. Reverend ripped off Yamaha’s design
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Re: Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by hypercarrots » Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:40 pm

do you still have your RS502T tailpiece and do you want to sell it?
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Re: Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by Saul » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:13 pm

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They are similar in design but you know that with guitars there IS going to be a similarity amongst many designs unless your talking about those sort "out there" shapes.

Personally I don't think Yamaha ripped off anyone or would ever need to. They have a massive legacy of guitar designs to use as inspiration and if anything I would say many other designers use Yamaha as their inspiration.

That doesn't by the way take anything away from Reverend guitars. They make some lovely guitars that stand on their own merit.
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Re: Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by Buzzard » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:01 pm

Hmm .... very similar, but not quite a copy.

I guess it's getting harder to create unique guitar designs without having it look similar to something already produced.

I do , however prefer the design and finish of the Reverend. :wink:
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Re: Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by Elixxrx66 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:32 am

I agree. I dont think either copied off the other. Yamaha was using template of their sg-2000 and I'm not sure where Reverend got their inspiration but I doubt their goal was to copy a Yamaha. I was just reading all these threads where people were saying that Yamaha's new Revstars are just nicking their design from the sensei. Oh yeah to the question as to whether I still have the tailpiece. I do believe I do. I dont know if I still have all the screws for it though. You can just have it. I'm never going to do anything with it.
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Re: Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by hypercarrots » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:26 am

Cool thanks. I tried private messaging or emailing you before. Let me know how much for shipping and I’ll cover that.
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Re: Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by Bigsby » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:03 pm

You could compare the Revstar to the old Super Flighter range, there's a similarity in the offset double cutaway shape. I think theres a stronger connection to them than the SG. But Yamaha haven't really made any other references back to those models, other than being twin humbucker 6-stringers. Whereas the similarities with the Sensei go beyond the body shape, binding, scratch plate and styling references - which to me at least are more reminiscent of Reverend guitars than 60s British and Japanese motorcycles! Of course, 'Rev Star' could be a reference to motorbikes, but it simultaneously seems to reference Reverend Sensei too... Perhaps unfortunately. :)

There's another clue: Revstars also feature a 'Dry Switch' which filters out low frequencies... and what does every Reverend feature? A 'Bass contour' control, which rolls off low frequencies! That does seem to suggest someone might've been looking over Reverend's shoulders when designing the Revstar. One thing they missed was the body contour on the front - I have a Sensei, and it's amazingly comfortable to play (and light, thanks to the Korina body).

Are they copies? No, I don't think so, not quite, but I do think Yamaha saw a gap in the market that Reverend have been cultivating, for guitars that aren't strat/LP derived, and they've dived in with something that's inspired by the Sensei more than a motorbike. I really don't think Yamaha would've developed these if they hadn't seen the growing popularity of Reverend (despite their limited distribution).
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Re: Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by Buzzard » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:11 pm

Hi Bigsby, welcome to the forum and the string section. :D

Brilliant first post, great to hear from someone owning a Reverend Sensei. ((i))

See you around the forum.

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Re: Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by Saul » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:39 pm

Welcome to yamahamusicians.com Bigsby :)

Whilst I don't think Yamaha deliberately copied the Sensei there are certainly some striking similarities and just a quick glance would easily confuse people who were not familiar with both guitars.

Personally I still cannot see any connection whatsoever with motorbikes of any age and the Revstar range of guitars and as someone who has been into bikes all my life I think I would definitely have noticed ;)

Well wherever they got the idea from they are still great guitars although given a choice I would have to say I'm leaning toward Reverend.
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Re: Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by Bigsby » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:11 am

Thank you both for the welcome! :)

I've loved Yamaha SGs since owning an SG700 in the 80s, but I only discovered Reverend last year, when I bought the Sensei. I liked it so much I immediately bought a Spacehawk - which is possibly the most versatile guitar I own. There's a clear family resemblace with the Sensei, but it's a hollow body and also has a classic British 'Burns' style to it. Two weeks later I found an SG1802 on offer, and that was my guitar budget blown for the next year!

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Re: Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by Saul » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:01 am

That's a lovely collection of guitars. I can see the Burns resemblance on the Spacehawk ;)
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Re: Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by guedzilla » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:17 pm

Bigsby wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:03 pm
You could compare the Revstar to the old Super Flighter range, there's a similarity in the offset double cutaway shape. I think theres a stronger connection to them than the SG. But Yamaha haven't really made any other references back to those models, other than being twin humbucker 6-stringers.
They did mention it somewhere though... there's this on the Yamaha USA site, but I remember seeing something else back when the Revstar was launched:

"RS620
Inspired by the 1974 Yamaha ‘Super Flighter’ guitar, the RS620 takes its design cues from a cult classic, combining them in perfect balance with the individual styling and custom-built vibe of the Revstar concept. Its roots definitely run deep, but this isn’t your dad’s guitar."

Which is odd, because, as far as I know, the Super Flighter was released in 1977...?

Anyway, I'm new here and going through old threads, sorry to bring that back :D
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Re: Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by hypercarrots » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:28 pm

yamahas marketing dept doesnt always know their company's history. their instagram has made errors in reference to 70s and 80s bb history. i wonder if their social media coordinators were alive in the 70s and 80s...
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Re: Yamaha Revstar vs Reverend Sensei Debate

Unread post by Mimasu » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:51 pm

guedzilla wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:17 pm
"RS620
Inspired by the 1974 Yamaha ‘Super Flighter’ guitar, the RS620 takes its design cues from a cult classic, combining them in perfect balance with the individual styling and custom-built vibe of the Revstar concept. Its roots definitely run deep, but this isn’t your dad’s guitar."
You're right about the 1977 1974 thing.

The RS620 has some similarities with the old SF's indeed. As mentioned earlier the overall shape of the two guitars are similar. Further Yamaha used the old SF700 en SF1000 fretboard inlays on the RS620. Couldn't find them but I recall there were soms adds with the two guitars side by side at the introduction of the Revstars.

But with body shape and inlays it ends I think: woodwise they are completely different.

Overhere you'd pay about 700 euro for a RS620. If you're not in a hurry you can buy a vintage SF1000 for that. I'd know what to do 8) .

But OK, I'm just an old vintage Yamaha lover :lol:

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