Yamaha SA1200S new info

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Yamaha SA1200S new info

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I have had some correspondence from an SA1200s owner Sebastian. We know the archives say production was ended in 1983 but that this is wrong because they appear in the 1985 UK catalogue. Sebastian has sent me pictures of his asking me if it was a fake or another SA with an incorrect badge. It is plainly made in Taiwan in November 1986 and I am sure it's genuine so like the 1100 and the 2100 some were MIJs and some (probably later ones) are MIT.
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Hi Bill,

That is very interesting
I had thought more and more that the later dated 1200S were simply unsold NOS guitars.

I've had zero luck deciding serial numbers on SA models.

Any pics of the pickups to date it? I see it has the extra dot, which may indicate it was made in the 77-82 time and is NOS. 82/83 next generation drops the dot on first feet and has a slimmer neck profile.

Does place of manufacture equate to year made?

Somewhat related, I know Yamaha did not make all their guitars directly and did some outsourced manufacture. I recently learned that a way to identify Matsumoku made guitars is flat head Philip's screw through the neck tenon, which you can see in the bridge pickup cavity. If I recall, that is how the Yamaha SA's of this era are made, so the 77 through 80's SA Yamaha's could be Matsomoku made guitars. Look at Wikipedia and can see Matsomoku did make guitars for Yamaha.

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Great Bill :D

Your deep digging has cleared up quite a few internet fibbs. :wink:

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That serial number dates to November 1986 Taiwan so all seems correct


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I wonder why they kept that model.

700, 1000, 2000, 2000S, all drop off in 83. 800, 900, 1300, 1800 and 2500 start in 83 and basically run until 88. So product line refresh in 83, but there is one model that pops up again in 86.

The dot version of that earlier group of guitars all have a dot on 1st fret. The ones introduced in 83 drop the 1st fret dot. So interesting again that the 86 1200S still has the dot. Perhaps dealers requested a run of these?
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Corrected the 'triple picture' issue... 8)


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Just now got this note from Sebastian


Hi,
it's me again.
I thought that this might be of interest for you too: Yamaha Europe answered, that the production of the SA1200s was moved to Taiwan in 1984 and that my guitar was build 14.11.1986.


Thanks again for your help!
Have a nice weekend
Sebastian


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Very cool - great stuff!


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Sorry to revive a dead post but I recently acquired one of these and I'm confused about its lineage. The serial number I have puts it at 84. KOQI 003 I've read loads of articles on these and they are all different saying the backs are maple or beach or mahogany and the necks are rosewood and there are only 800 of them and that they were only in production for 2 years

From mine I know the top is spruce and the fingerboard is ebony and the serial puts it at 1984 and its made in Japan.

What else can ye tell me about this sweet guitar?

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The SA1200S appears in catalogs in 1979.


See this leaflet from 1979 introducing the "new" SA series:


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Last year in catalogs is 1987. Check out this page from a 1987 catalog:

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This 1987 catalog has an US version without the SA1200S, and a general export catalog with the SA1200S. No SA1200S in the Japanese 1987 catalog.

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Thanks for the reply Leon so the Japanese 79 catalogue shows a 1200s that's made of solid spruce and the American export version in 87 has a top made of beech and birch laminate?

Any dead give away as how to tell which one I have? I mean in all fairness the guitar I have sounds and plays just lovely which is all that really matters. Very rich, complex and buttery with that kind of airy mid range.

I doubt there's only 800 of em in the world though? Is that just a myth? It does pop up on the web a bit

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Hi Bfitz111
Firstly welcome to the forum secondly don't worry about reviving old threads people here tend not to worry about that sort of thing.
Have a look at my web pages for the correct construction info here
http://www.alston-family.co.uk/SA/SA1200s.htm Also details of all SAs are there.
The catalogue refers to a spruce top not a full spruce construction.
The 800 made is a similar myth to the VG standard only being made for a short run in 1997 simply not true.


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Bfitz111 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:43 am so the Japanese 79 catalogue shows a 1200s that's made of solid spruce and the American export version in 87 has a top made of beech and birch laminate?
The 79 leaflet is a export version too.

The general 79 export catalog only shows a SA1000 and SA2000.

After that the SA1200S also appears in the general catalog of 1980, together with the SA2000S:

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Thanks for the info folks! Ever so glad to be part of the yamaha family!

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Bfitz111 wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:06 pm Thanks for the info folks! Ever so glad to be part of the yamaha family!

Brian
How about some pics of your guitar?


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