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Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by RJ86 » Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:25 am

I have, what I think, is a 1990 211 RGX. I have found, on this forum, a link to someone who makes tremolo bars. But I want to make sure I am looking at it correctly. Is this a RM PRO III??
And no making fun of the paint job! It was the early 90s, and it is all mine :D

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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by balston11 » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:45 pm

Hi
I think that's an RM pro 11 but if someone who new could highlight the differences between the RMs for future reference that would be helpful.
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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by Buzzard » Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:47 pm

Hi RJ86 , Welcome to the Yamaha Forums. :)

You've got a VERY ARTY guitar, let's see the whole thing :!: I'm not quite sure which type of tremolo the RGX-211 has, even though I used to own one. :oops:

Yamaha RM Pro : http://www.axebition.com/bridge/yamaha-rm-pro
Yamaha RM Pro II : http://www.axebition.com/bridge/yamaha-rm-pro-ii
Yamaha RM Pro III : http://www.axebition.com/bridge/yamaha-rm-pro-iii

pics of my Yamaha RGX-211 :
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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by balston11 » Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:31 pm

Having looked at Peter's links it still looks like an RM11 to me.
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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by Buzzard » Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:44 pm

balston11 wrote:Having looked at Peter's links it still looks like an RM11 to me.
The fine tuners on ALL RM-Pro ( I , II and III ) seem to be fastened to a common bracket at the rear of the trem bridge assembly.

On the RGX-211 each saddle is moved individually (including the fine tuners), so unless the 3 links about the RM-Pro bridges are incorrect,
the RGX-211 is equipped with another "Floyd Rose" type of trem system, and what type is it :?:

:idea: The RGX-211 trem looks closer to the Rockin' Magic I or II (not Pro) but still, not quite the same. :idea:

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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by Buzzard » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:30 pm

:idea: :/: :roll: It looks like a puzzle about the Yamaha Rockin Magic (RM) tremolo types. :roll: :/: :idea:

Anyone, feel free to help solve the mysteries of what's what. :D

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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by RJ86 » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:47 pm

I looked on that frets on the net site and it doesn't really look like any of them. I am trying to find a replacement tremolo arm for it. I have a 1987 RGX620s with the RM pro I, but have never been able to get the arm out of it. So I cant use it to test it out. And my 1994 RGX621D has a floyd style tremolo arm that actually doesn't fit. I dont want to spend $28 on a replacement from that guy just to find out it doesn't work. Hopefully someone can help to identify this tremolo. I would love to have an arm for it.

The story of the paint job was: I had a 1987 RGX112 that I had bought in 1988. It was cheap, but it was that hideous metallic bluish purple. I never did like the color. Well a few years later a friend who worked in a body shop offered to paint it. He suggested a hot pink (remember it was late 1989 or early 1990). So, I said sure. It looked cool when he sprayed it, but later after the paint dried it turned the color of chewed bubble gum. So, he was going to just spray it black. but the black paint he had was about dried out and really thick. Bingo!, dipped fingers into black paint and flung it at the guitar. And what you see was the result.

Years later, I lost the guitar (long story). I kind of missed my pink guitar, so I went to ebay, found a similar RGX 211 and recreated it. Here are a few more photos:
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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by RJ86 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:50 pm

I did not get the actual name of the tremolo, but the guy from Frets on the net said he has made arms for this particular tremolo before. He thought that the arm is threaded.

However, the whole thing is a moot point. I took the tremolo apart to see if the hole was threaded or not. There is actually no place for the arm to go into, it was broken off. Now that I remember back to this project, it was broken and I added a tremolo stopper underneath to "hardtail" it. It has been like it so long, I just simply forgot about it. It would still be interesting to know what this tremolo was called, for future reference.


I have heard every comment about my ugly pink guitar over the years... But, It still is my favorite go to guitar to play (Y)
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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by Saul » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:37 am

Me being primarily an acoustic guitarist and so not dealing with trems very often I wondered, do Yamaha not stamp part numbers on these trems?

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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by Daviedawg » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:05 pm

I like your UPG. It has style.

You should be able to get the stub of the arm out with a bolt remover (after removing the bridge from the guitar). Just drill it in a bit, apply some wd40 and it should reverse out. Or in this case even just unscrew once it bites since you can come either direction. Working on old Triumphs means plenty tools and experience gained over the years.

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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by Buzzard » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:39 pm

..... from my spare part stash :wink:

Some of my second hand guitars had parts missing, including the RGX-110 and RGX-211 , both sold again some years ago.

Yamaha mainly use two types: ø5mm bar with 4mm thread and a smooth ø6mm bar.
Since time has passed I may remember wrong, but I believe the RGX-211 use the smooth 6mm bar. (both types are available in well assorted music stores)
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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by RJ86 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:55 pm

Saul - The only Yamaha Tremolo I have ever seen anything stamped on is my 1994 RGX 621d. Is has TRS-PRO (licensed Floyd Rose) stamped on it. Unless it is stamped in some hidden place under the tremolo, I have never seen it on this chrome one or on the RM Pro models.

Unfortunately, There is nothing left to remove. Below the chrome hole for the tremolo, there is supposed to be a socket attached to the tremolo block to accept the tremolo arm. The socket is busted off. So there is nothing to put the arm into. As I said, now my memory is jogged. I remember the reason why I blocked the tremolo and hard-tailed it. I never use tremolo much anyway. Just was hoping to have all the pieces in place. I may keep an eye on ebay to see if anyone ever tries to sell one of these. There is no replacing it with a floyd rose without heavy modification. For a guitar I got for $50 off ebay, I have a pretty nice daily player. It's my favorite to play.

Thanks for the comments on the paint job. I usually get a bit of ribbing about it. But, it is a one of a kind and no one will ever (willingly) copy it. Sanding those black globs of black paint smooth (without sanding through) was one of the most tedious jobs I ever did.
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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by RJ86 » Thu May 12, 2016 8:09 pm

Just for informational purposes, I have in my hands a 1988 RGX owner's manual (yes, I bought another RGX).. The locking tremolo used on the 211, 220, and 312 RGX is called an RMX-II. I tried a google search and did not come up with much of anything. So I wanted to share what I found.
Also, the tremolo arm is not threaded. It's a push/pull design with a notch.
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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by Buzzard » Thu May 12, 2016 9:05 pm

RJ86 wrote:Just for informational purposes, I have in my hands a 1988 RGX owner's manual (yes, I bought another RGX).. The locking tremolo used on the 211, 220, and 312 RGX is called an RMX-II. I tried a google search and did not come up with much of anything. So I wanted to share what I found.
Also, the tremolo arm is not threaded. It's a push/pull design with a notch.
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Re: Need help identifying Tremolo

Unread post by MattPK » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:04 pm

I believe the rgx211 has an RM Rockin' Magic Pro tremolo, predecessor to the RM Pro II, which has more of an actual Floyd Rose look and, I believe, doesn't come with the plastic liner for the trem route.

I have 2 guitars with the earlier trem on them and am having a heck of a time finding replacement fine tuner screws. They have some kind of oddball threads that I haven't been able to find in hardware stores, so if anyone has any info, I'd appreciate it. Can't find the trem alone on ebay and I don't want to spring for a whole 'nother guitar just for the screw.
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