MIDI Routing conundrum

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MIDI Routing conundrum

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Anyone feel experienced in MIDI Routing problems/solutions? …and want to give my conundrum a bash?! =)


Equipment I want to connect.
- Yamaha SY35 keyboard: (MIDI - IOT) - Master keyboard for note data generation
- Novation Zero SL Master controller: (MIDI - IOOT) - to generate MIDI CC data etc
- 2x QY70 Master sequencer: (MIDI IO - the out can be a soft-thru )
- Alesis synth: (MIDI - IOT) + internal SEQ as slave
- Roland synth: (MIDI - IOT) + internal SEQ as slave
- Electribe synth: (MIDI - IO) + internal SEQ as slave
https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code ... 3GzL036cM7

What I want to do:
SY35:
Play and record notes from SY35 into the QY70.
Audition patches from all synths via the SY35 keyboard.

ZERO SL:
Generate MIDI controller data to: record MIDI data to SEQ, edit patches/tweak the synths live - all synths should be accessible/editable from Novation controller at all times; incl the SY35, w/o cable unplugging.

QY70 should be able to record and playback to all synths w/o unplugging cables.
Run and Sync all internal sequencers from the QY70 MIDI clock.


My idea of connections
see picture - Im unsure where/what order the SY35, QY70 and ZeroSL fit in this setup. AFAIK the data will not both go out and through the QY70 without some cable unplugging…
though I understand I can have the other synths connected via a 1>4 MIDI thru box.
https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code ... Vd8mHUpFDk

Do I need MIDI merge/thru/router or something else?
I cant remember what I used back in 90s when I last had a fully connected MIDI hardware setup but in the only pic i had there is some sort of Philip Rees box...I just know I never had to unplug anything.

NB. No computer/USB is going to be used/or wants to be used! :D

Cheers for a solution: Long post and complicated but I tried (5x) to write it clearly so it makes sense - pcloud: links to diagrams
I have been mulling over this for 3 weeks. I now need to order cables so want to get the set-up sorted in my head :confusion-confused:

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Re: MIDI Routing conundrum

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Just as a suggestion: you may want to search for a Miditemp PMM-88E... it's an extreme versatile 8 IN - 8 OUT Midi Matrix.

Features:

• 8 x 8 MIDI Merge Matrix (8 MIDI IN, 8 MIDI OUT)
• All parameters can be stored on 128 memory locations
• Split and transpose in any combination
• Program Change (optionally transparent without note switch-off)
• Volume control
• Velocity Switch / Off / Offset / Limit
• MIDI filter for INs and OUTs
• MIDI Clock / Start / Stop / Continue
• Program Split (operation as 2 independent devices with 4 x 4 matrix with full function maintenance)
• Multi converting (any splitting to several MIDI channels)
• Transparent Panic or optional ALL NOTES OFF
• Can be edited via Win PC using the free MIOC software - store & reload your settings (only the PMM-88E)!
• Housing 19" 1U with external control panel (remote control)

Or keep looking for a MP88-W or MP88-CDW - these are Multiplayer units but DO have exact the same Midi Matrix functionality! One don't have to use the Multiplayer - the Midi Matrix can be used 'Stand-Alone' so to speak... simply ignore the player/sequencer functions of the MP88.

Thing is: they're discontinued since a long time, but they DO pop up second-hand from time to time...

Just a thought... :wink:


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Thanks for that product 8x8 tip.
I was indeed looking into and searching for vintage patchbays on eBxx

Then I got a tip from a fb group about the ZeroSL controller: It can act as a MIDI merger, the master clock and has some MIDI filtering for the two OUTS. So, it looks like I have a solution without to buy ANYTHING extra (apart from MIDi cables)
This is how it looks in my brain. Now to buy cables and test that. Might maybe need a THRU box so I can just switch on the synths I need rather than everything as in a thru-chain.

SY35 Main Kbd (note data)
out>in ZEROSL (clock, cc data + notes from MIDI in)
ZeroSL OUT1 > Main QY70SEQ out>in Micron/SEQ3 thru>in ElectribeSampler/SEQ2 (end of chain)
ZeroSL OUT2 > SY35 synth thru>in RolandMV30 (end of chain)
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Finally found a Philip Rees thru box on Fleabay.
That should do the trick.
Not so many around these days it seems.


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squishmusic wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:49 pm Finally found a Philip Rees thru box on Fleabay.
That should do the trick.
Not so many around these days it seems.
I haven't heard of those in a very long time...
I was looking for one of those when I started getting my self set up.
It will do well for you. Did you get the 8 port version?
I never found one for myself, I settled on a Leem MD-80, Yamaha had a very similar version to that as well, called a YM8 or YME8

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Yeah theyve long gone out of business (afaik), but plenty of other smaller bizz' doing all manner of MIDI magic-boxes
Kenton still going. Never stumbled on that Leem thingy...looks solid.
The PR are flimsy things. I just got a 3-thru - should suffice


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squishmusic wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:13 pm Yeah theyve long gone out of business (afaik), but plenty of other smaller bizz' doing all manner of MIDI magic-boxes
Kenton still going. Never stumbled on that Leem thingy...looks solid.
The PR are flimsy things. I just got a 3-thru - should suffice
They were long out of business when I looked, seems like a lifetime ago.
The body's to the leems are solid pressed metal, the midi sockets however are less than solid.
Held in place only by the solder joints, it doesn't take much to crack the ground joints,
even if being careful plugging in and out.

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