EPROM Programmers: Willem and maybe others?

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Re: EPROM Programmers: Willem and maybe others?

Unread post by EX5_etc » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:29 pm

IsoldeIsobelle wrote: if you are at anytime in Scotland.... the first round is on me.
Great offer. If I ever make it on the other side of the pond and go up north I'll let you know.

Back on the subject... I have explained why I posted the ROMs over here. How justifiable or not my action was depends on which side you are. If you are selling these EPROMs at $100 a pop you have a problem with what I did because suddenly you are open to "competition" by other prospective "sellers" or you are losing "sales" to those that can burn the images for themselves. If you are a user that wants to upgrade his board for a low fee then you are OK because you can save a few bucks if you do it yourself and in addition you get the satisfaction that you did it yourself. But if you don't have access to a computer with a parallel port you may be out of luck. In that case you need a good friend who has the equipment to help.

There have been posts by other members on this forum with attached ROM images of the SY99 and possibly other boards/devices. The only reason for those posts to appear was to help others because Yamaha does not want to help us anymore. There were also thoughts to alter the SY99 firmware so that we could design our own expansions as a community project. That firmware is still the IP of Yamaha but it falls in the "abandonware" category since they do not support it. My opinion is that we can do whatever we want with it as long as we do not sell any "improved" version of it. Same goes for the EX5 images. Someone could fix an issue here and there, post it on the forum and thus we all are benefited by it.

I received help by some members in the past and occasionally I offer help in any way I can. That has been going on for years. There are sites on the web that contain a lot of IP by Yamaha and other manufacturers. Those sites are known to a few people only. Some of those people are on this forum, some are on ex5tech. They gave me the links to download whole CDs with samples, manuals, whatever. That in turn helped me to write long detailed posts about the EX5R and the A3000/A5000 sampler upgrades I did (for the A5000 I bought the original CDs with their covers at a reasonable price from a pawn shop, so before you go on ebay check your local pawn shops, you may find a treasure over there such as an almost new WX5 for $300). Without those samples and manuals I would not have been able to take those machines one step further. I had no intention to pay those ebay creeps a hefty fee to buy the service manuals or the long lost A3000 CDs. Basically when you have only two bad options to choose from you chose the one that causes the least harm to all the parties involved, including the IP owner.

I won't waste more of anyone's time with this. But I have a bit of advice for those that might try to burn the images by themselves. If you have a bit of money to spend buy 4 used chips and try burning the images. If you are on a limited budget buy only two chips. Burn the OS upgrade and put it in your synth. Check if it works. If it does use the older OS chips to burn the new TG in them. Replace and check. And remember to choose chips at 100ns or less to be sure that no issues will arise due to slow chip response.

Thank you all for the support. No hard feelings against anyone, we are still free to express our opinions on this planet. The way things go it won't last long.
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Re: EPROM Programmers: Willem and maybe others?

Unread post by jima » Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:46 am

tux wrote:Jima, are you serious?

These old synths only continue to live because we help out each other for free, nobody is profiting from this and Yamaha isn't missing out on a single penny since they aren't supporting these old synths anymore.

Your rant is completely out of place and your legal argument of copyright infringement is rather dubious too as copyright laws aren't absolute, there are quite a few exceptions relating to fair use and personal use.

If you want to get worked up about something that makes sense why don't you focus on ebay sellers that sell pirated stuff on ebay for a large profit?
Yes, I am serious and I am also not sure I appreciate voicing a strongly held opinion being called a 'rant' but, as DrF points out "we are still free to express our opinions on this planet" and I assume that applies to me as well.

These older synths do indeed continue to live because we help each other out and notwithstanding the good work done here at Yamaha Forums probably the best example of this for EX owners is EX5Tech. I can tell you that a lot of the good work done there has been either made possible or greatly facilitated by the good relationships fostered by the dedicated and skilled guys there with various Yamaha staff and it is exactly these relationships which are endangered by helpful but sometimes ill-considered actions.

Lastly, since you ask, and this is for AJay as well, I have indeed spent a not insignificant amount of time trying to give various sellers of pirated EX ROM's and CD's with thousands of EX files leeched from various web sites such as EX5Tech and other EX member sites (including some of my own EX5 software) a hard time but without much success as eBay doesn't really care about that sort of thing unless you are a big name with a bunch of legal sharks in tow.

In any event this is all academic as I have just been informed by Saul that Yamaha Forums has obtained "permission from Yamaha for these roms to be copied and distributed" so while as you copyright and IP "experts" will know that is not quite the same as publishing the code on a public web site I guess it is close enough. Would have been good to have known that a bit (lot) sooner :)
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Re: EPROM Programmers: Willem and maybe others?

Unread post by andrew95 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:53 pm

hi guys, when i download any of these files

EX-5/5R/7 Main1 (L) V1.11 XT350I01:
EX_5-5R-7 Main1 (L) V1.11 XT350I01.zip
(369.97 KiB) Downloaded 267 times
EX-5/5R/7 Main2 (H) V1.11 XT351I01:
EX_5-5R-7 Main2 (H) V1.11 XT351I01.zip
(355.51 KiB) Downloaded 225 times
EX-5/5R/7 TG1 (L) V1.14 XT352206:
EX_5-5R-7 TG1 (L) V1.14 XT352206.zip
(387.22 KiB) Downloaded 228 times
EX-5/5R/7 TG2 (H) V1.14 XT353206:
EX_5-5R-7 TG2 (H) V1.14 XT353206.zip
(373.96 KiB) Downloaded 230 times
Enjoy.

and then drag the zip file onto my thumb drive and try to load it onto my ex5 it just says "illegal disk" so it's not the way to go

would someone please tell me how to upgrade my OS?

is this done via the thumb drive?

thanks
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Re: EPROM Programmers: Willem and maybe others?

Unread post by Miks » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:00 am

Those .zip files need to be 'un-zipped' - use 7zip (free). The resulting files are not meant to be loaded into the EX - those files are binaries meant to be programmed ('burnt') into Eproms. Then those eproms have to replace the ones that are actually installed inside your EX.
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Re: EPROM Programmers: Willem and maybe others?

Unread post by TheSupposedStringMeister » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:07 am

Goodness, I used to do that stuff in the early 80's. Are you saying there is still equipment out there that is still running with 8 bit CPU's?
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Re: EPROM Programmers: Willem and maybe others?

Unread post by EXer » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:12 pm

TheSupposedStringMeister wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:07 am
Goodness, I used to do that stuff in the early 80's. Are you saying there is still equipment out there that is still running with 8 bit CPU's?

I have even heard that there still exists equipment which don't even have CPUs, would you believe it?

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Re: EPROM Programmers: Willem and maybe others?

Unread post by tux » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:42 pm

Don't feed the troll...
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Re: EPROM Programmers: Willem and maybe others?

Unread post by Derek » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:56 pm

TheSupposedStringMeister wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:07 am
Goodness, I used to do that stuff in the early 80's. Are you saying there is still equipment out there that is still running with 8 bit CPU's?
You don’t need 8 bit CPUs to have ROMs ;)

Remember, the beloved EX5 is a design from the mid 90s - from memory USB was coming on stream around then (late 90s?) and FLASH was still very expensive, so much, much cheaper for OEMs to stash their code in ROMs
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