DX7 IID won't power on

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Re: DX7 IID won't power on

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Diodes are designed to pass current in only one direction. So, they should have a relatively small resistance measured in one direction and a much higher resistance measured in the other. I would not recommend using the 'continuity" mode of a multimeter which it sounds like you are doing if relying on the beeping sound as an indicator of resistance.

And, it is best to lift one end to isolate the diode from other components that might give you a false reading.


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Re: DX7 IID won't power on

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My PSU is the VB78450 (north european), and I have a D8.

my beep is continuous. My multimeter is a fluke 115. actually, with a correct diode, the beep is very short. but there, according to the manual of the multimeter, with a continuous beep, the diode is in short circuit.

I can already try to change it, we'll see ..


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Re: DX7 IID won't power on

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djazz75 wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:21 pmMy PSU is the VB78450 (north european), and I have a D8.
My spare PSU is the VB78460 (European/W-Germany/Australian Model) which also has the diode D8.
...the diode is in short circuit...
Not mandatory. There may be a capacitor in parallel with the diode which had failed. Did you take out the diode for measuring purposes?


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Re: DX7 IID won't power on

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I'll take it out of the circuit to test it, I'll let you know


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djazz75 wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:41 pm I'll take it out of the circuit to test it, I'll let you know
Ok, that's fine.

Here's where the 'missing' diode D8 belongs into the schematic
(they've simply forgotten to put it in the drawing... :doh: )
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If you look onto the (complete) schematic you can see that if one of those parts: R22, C23, C24 will be 'shorted' or has a low resistance your meter will beep continuously...
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Re: DX7 IID won't power on

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ok, I tested the diode D8 outside the circuit: it is ok. I will test the components around D8.

the schematic you are showing is not in the service manual. can you send it to me ?


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Re: DX7 IID won't power on

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The schematic is in a separate PDF file in the yates.ca\DX7 FTP site


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Re: DX7 IID won't power on

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@ djazz75: Check your PM's ;-)


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Re: DX7 IID won't power on

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Thanks Miks :)
this schematic will be useful to me.


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say, it's normal this coulure at the bottom of the capacitors ?
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Re: DX7 IID won't power on

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If you mean that yelloish goo (see arrow) - yes, that's normal. It's a kind of glue used to fasten electronic components to the pcb. No reason to worry...
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Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500,
TX-802, YMM2
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Re: DX7 IID won't power on

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Ah OK. I suspected it was normal because all PSU photos on the internet have. thank for confirmation.


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Re: DX7 IID won't power on

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The leakage from bad Electrolytic caps will be a thin almost clear and often sticky liquid. More common to see is the top of the capacitor cylinder bulging upward. The glue you are seeing is as Miks said, normal.


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Assorted acoustic brass & woodwind instruments & numerous guitars both acoustic & electric
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Re: DX7 IID won't power on

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My dx7 is alive !

The fault came from capacitor C23 C24. Thank you Miks, you were right :)

Thank you all !

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Re: DX7 IID won't power on

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GREAT outcome djazz . . .

@Miks - another triumph! - you KEEP being right about these things ((i)) LONG may it continue . . . .

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