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Re: CASIOTONE is back!

Unread post by Saul » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:39 pm

Consumer protection is unfortunately not quite as good in the USA as it is here in the UK. Here the contract is with the retailer and they need to sort out any problems. You can also get a full refund if the item is faulty. You can also get a refund if you just don't like the goods as long as you return them within 7 days.

Amazon UK are generally excellent at dealing with returns. Not sure if it is the same as Amazon US although I would imagine it is?
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Re: CASIOTONE is back!

Unread post by SeaGtGruff » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:07 pm

The main thing about buying a keyboard through Amazon is that if you're an Amazon Prime member and you return stuff, they might cancel your membership if the value of the stuff you've returned is over a certain percentage of your total orders-- or something like that, I'm not sure what their criteria are.

I've bought keyboards through Amazon in years past and never had a problem-- never had to return anything-- and I've also purchased online through other stores and never had a problem.
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Unread post by Saul » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:56 pm

I have been a Prime Member for a very long time. Never had any problems although I suppose I have not actually needed to return much but, the items I did need to return were credited to my account almost straight away. Also bought loads of Ebay and I think only once did something not arrive but Ebay dealt with that very quickly. Paypal payment protection works really well :)

Not sure if the systems work differently depending on location so can only speak for the Amazon and Ebay here in the UK. Although just remembered. I did buy something from the USA around a month ago through Amazon's global shipping program. That was delivered within 5 days and cost half the price of the same thing bought here in the UK :)
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Unread post by shelly0624 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:22 am

New Gearfacts YouTube review of the CT-S200 and some of the sounds. Pretty much just a take-it-with you keyboard for fun or practice.. Still, for only $109..

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Unread post by Saul » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:15 am

I keep thinking "no velocity sensing" but then remember the price ;) And of course not all sounds benefit from such a feature.

Was trying to think of an alternative at that price that is better but nothing comes to mind, certainly nothing new anyway. Possibly something on the used market but then you would be talking much older, perhaps not battery powered and probably not sounding any better.
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Unread post by OOS » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:22 pm

Used and i also own a number of casio keys like Casio CT 430 X 2, Casio MA 120, Casio CA 110, Casio SA 20 and a Yamaha PSS 130, they have character in most of the cases, so i think its quite wrong to market these keyboards as "casiotone rebirth", they are just simple music keys with satisfactory sound for 2019 and not anykind of a reissue effort.
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Unread post by Saul » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:27 pm

It is definitely a bit of a marketing exercise but Casio must have seen a user base for these new keyboards or they would not have brought them out. Putting the 'Casiotone' name on them was clever in that it immediately catches peoples attention (Y)

In terms of portability and price though, what else is there?
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Unread post by shelly0624 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:47 pm

They don't sound as good as the one I have my eye on, but sometimes I get conflicted because it would answer my need for something to pack with me when I babysit my grandchildren. (I'm gone all day until 8:30 now). And because I'm just learning, there's the Chrodana app too. Also, when we camp, it would slip under the mattress for safe-keeping. It's really thin. We do a lot of camping. I would be uneasy about bringing a better keyboard. (I can't let go of the idea of portable music because I took my guitar everywhere). But if I buy the touch sensitive one, it would cost a bit more ... Just $40 more and I can get a CT-X700 Casio for that. If I got one at all, it would be the S200 because it would only be a practice keyboard when I'm away. Practice is what I need so I continue to think about it.
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Unread post by Saul » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:34 am

If cost were not an issue I would suggest something like the Yamaha reface CP. Not sure if you have come across the reface series Shelly?
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It may seem at first to be an odd suggestion. The reface is just 3 octaves and has mini keys. And that put me right off when I first heard about them. I was never a fan of mini keys. However Yamaha kindly sent me all four models to check out and to my great surprise I was completely blown away by them and the CP in particular.

So what does the reface CP have going for it? Well it may be just 3 octaves and mini keys but it is a super high quality keybed and the octave slider is a work of genius. It means you can sweep through I think it's plus/minus 3 octaves with ease. Also because of the smaller key size you can actually play chords that would be next to impossible to play on a full size keyboard.

Soundwise the reface CP is superb and also there is a hidden acoustic piano in there. Whether the designers meant people to find it or not I can't say but with a little clever balancing of the sound selector knob you can find it and again it sounds so good.

The built in speakers may be small but they punch well above their weight. And of course reface can run on batteries so it really is a take it anywhere keyboard.

When back home you can connect it to your computer via usb midi or traditional 5 pin midi.

This video below by our good friend Katsunori UJIIE ably demonstrates what the reface CP is all about. He doesn't speak English but click the subtitle buttons for the English subs.



My only real criticism of the whole reface line was that they were too expensive. But then I say that about a lot of things ;) Even used they are still quite expensive. Might be cheaper in the USA though.
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Re: CASIOTONE is back!

Unread post by shelly0624 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:34 am

Wow! It doesn't even look like it has on-board speakers. Amazing sound. Something that sounds that good is well worth the money. I googled it and got an idea of price. Even at that, it's a serious consideration.
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Unread post by shelly0624 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:18 am

I love the sounds. A LOT. I layer piano and wide strings or synth strings. Do you remember if it had anything that sounded like strings? Or better, something that sounds like both piano and strings? I know that there are probably other smooth, ambient, sounds that would still be suitable for songs that go well with that. The keyboard I was looking at is $299. The Yamaha reface CP is a bit more, but not tons. You've got me thinking now. I could play that anytime, anywhere. I'm wondering about the strings, though, or a sweet ensemble of some kind.

(I've been trying to get a price on my JVC vintage boombox. Not always the best idea to ask dealers. Most don't have that model and I've been getting some low-ball estimates. Still.. that will probably be the way I get the keyboard I want).
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Unread post by Saul » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:53 am

The reface range was built as four specialised instruments with a focus on piano (CP), organ (YC) and synthesis (DX & CS). Of course Yamaha could have put all the sounds into one box but then you would lose many the hardware controls. So for people who love organs and go for the reface YC they get all the drawbars which would usually be sacrificed on a more "all-in-one" instrument.

So no strings on the reface CP, just pianos. You could of course hook it up to a laptop or desktop computer and use all the instruments and features of a DAW such as Cubase, Reaper, Logic etc.

It is difficult when looking for something that is both portable and has high quality sounds at a certain price point...and trust me, we are all looking for a bargain (Y)

In terms of best value for money, quality sounds and with portability top of the list I think you are still only left with the Casio CT-X800?
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Unread post by shelly0624 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:57 pm

Probably true.. but a nice piano, even minus the strings, would fit most of my songs at the present time. I'm still thinking about it. The CT-X800 is about 11 pounds I think.. I think they are wonderful. They're just big. I wonder if Guitar Center has a Yamaha reface CP. I'll probably go over there and see.. I am really, really attracted to something portable right now and actually don't mind putting another keyboard on the back burner. I even looked at the Medeli MC37A 49-Key Portable Keyboard. Mini keys don't bother me because I can practice with full-sized ones at home. But most of the low-priced mini keys don't sound very good and there's no place to plug in a sustain pedal. That would drive me nuts. Better ones don't have onboard speakers. that would be nice to have. You've got me curious now about the Yamaha reface CP. I think a trip to Tacoma (Guitar Center) will be fun.
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