Conect Psr E443 with other Keyboard

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Conect Psr E443 with other Keyboard

Unread post by Adair » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:30 pm

I bought the Psr E443 recently but it has a small (big) problem because the Midi To Host connection to interconnect another Keypad made it difficult because the Midi output is of those square and there is no midi cable with this plug. You would have to use a notebook to bridge the gap between one keyboard and another. I also use the Yamaha QY100 module which is also with the old round Midi inputs. Someone there would have a suggestion ... thank you very much

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Re: Conect Psr E443 with other Keyboard

Unread post by SeaGtGruff » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:12 am

The only way I know to connect the PSR-E443 with another keyboard is to use a computer or other device (laptop or tablet) as a go-between, since the PSR-E443 needs Yamaha's USB-MIDI driver to handle the communication. If the other keyboard or sound module has MIDI ports but no USB-MIDI port then you'll need to use a USB-MIDI interface to connect it to the computer.
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Re: Conect Psr E443 with other Keyboard

Unread post by SeaGtGruff » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:07 pm

This might help: http://www.kentonuk.com/products/items/ ... host.shtml

EDIT: The PSR-E443 is supposed to be class-compliant, so it should work with this. It should allow you to connect your PSR-E443 to your sound module without having to go through a computer. I haven't ever used one of these, but I'm strongly tempted to buy one myself! :)
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Re: Conect Psr E443 with other Keyboard

Unread post by SysExJohn » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:41 pm

The USB interface doesn't work in the same way as the MIDI interface.

With MIDI, provided that there is a working electrical connection MIDI out to MIDI in, then data is just transferred from the out socket whenever needed.
With USB, the device with the rounded socket asks the other end whether there is any USB data.
Then the MIDI device with rectangular USB socket has to encapsulate the MIDI data into a USB data packet and transmit it.
The MIDI device can't just send data whenever it needs via USB. It has to be "polled", to use the correct term.
Ordinary MIDI devices don't have the processor and USB data communications protocols embedded within them.
That's why you need to go via an intermediate "controller".
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Re: Conect Psr E443 with other Keyboard

Unread post by SeaGtGruff » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:37 pm

John, the box I linked to is more than a simple interface; it's an actual "USB host" device that's specifically designed to eliminate the need for connecting two devices together via a computer or laptop. Although after reading your comment about how USB works, I guess the box must be a simple type of computing device. That explains why it costs so much, and why Kenton's web site mentions a firmware update for it. I'm strongly tempted to order one, if only to test it out so I'll be able to either recommend it to other people or warn them away from it. As for the things I'd use it for, I can already do them by going through my computer or laptop, so I don't have a burning need for it.
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Re: Conect Psr E443 with other Keyboard

Unread post by SysExJohn » Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:07 pm

Hi Michael,
Yes, I was responding really to the OP actually, :) but you're quite right, the box has some processor power in it, it doesn't need much, and handles the USB comms protocol as both an initiator and responder. But that's why it costs a bit, it's a tiny communications processor handling two way USB packet switching.
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Re: Conect Psr E443 with other Keyboard

Unread post by fullaly » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:02 pm

Hi all,

what will happen when I connect the E443 to MiniNova though the Kenton USB host? will I have one of them controlling the tempo of both devices? can I use all the functions on E443 such as styles? will be all in sync?

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Re: Conect Psr E443 with other Keyboard

Unread post by SeaGtGruff » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:31 am

If you want one keyboard to control the tempo of the other (i.e., of both), then you need to set the one which will control the tempo to "internal clock" (or "external clock off"), and set the other one to "external clock" (or "external clock on").

I don't think it's possible to control the PSR-E models' style functions (i.e., chord changes and variation changes) through remote MIDI messages-- at least, there's nothing documented about how that might be done, and the messages which work on the PSR-S models do not work on the PSR-E models.

However, if you set the PSR-E to "external clock" then you can use remote MIDI messages to start and stop the style, and you can use an external device to control the tempo of the style.
Michael Rideout
Current keyboards: Yamaha YPT-400, PSR-E433, PSR-E443, PSR-EW400, MX49 BK
Current controllers: M-Audio Axiom 61-II
Previous keyboards: Farfisa Matador 611; Casio CTK-710
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