Solid or laminated?

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Solid or laminated?

Unread post by Mimasu » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:52 pm

I think Yamaha has made some great all laminated acoustics over the years but a lot of people prefer solid and I get many questions if a specific guitar is solid or laminated.

Many Yamaha’s acoustic guitars have a laminated top. Just looking at the rim of the soundhole doesn’t always make things completely sure. And what about the back and sides, no rim there to look at.

This is the inside of one of my FG500’s:

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Showing is a flaw in the wood (red circle) and a straight line in the wood (yellow arrow).

Such a straight line almost always indicates a laminated top or back. The flaw could be the ultimate proof.

Let’s look at the outside in the next pic.

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No flaw in the wood where it should be in a solid back (red area), and for sure no change of wood where the inside strait line is (yellow area). So definately a laminated back in this FG500!
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Re: Solid or laminated?

Unread post by Saul » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:38 pm

That's how I always check for solid or laminate. I think I posted about it a while back. An inspection mirror helps do the the same for the top although of course if the back and sides are solid it's a pretty sure bet the top is too as I have never heard of a laminate top with solid back and sides.

All this only works of course if you can see the grain of the wood so depends on the finish.
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Re: Solid or laminated?

Unread post by Mimasu » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:00 pm

Saul wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:38 pm
I think I posted about it a while back.
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If told twice it wil hold better. 8)

BTW: I love how Yamaha sometimes doesn't care to "fake solid".

Look at this back of a FG180-1. A nice wedge shape piece of maple or so.

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But at the inside no wedge shape at all. Not even the 'back braces' (don't know the right word) in a wedge shape, just a plain brace in the middle and no maple at all:

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Re: Solid or laminated?

Unread post by Saul » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:14 pm

That's one of the many good things with Yamaha. They are not trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes. What you see is what you get and often what you get is really great! :)
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Re: Solid or laminated?

Unread post by Floydman » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:17 am

A lot of people look down their noses at laminate guitars, but Yamaha's all laminate guitars are on a different level. Years ago a friend gave me a Madeira by Guild. That guitar sounded like what you expect from a all laminate, it was pretty bad.
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Re: Solid or laminated?

Unread post by Saul » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:54 am

Laminate guitars are fine and there are some well made examples out there now. As long as you like the sound of the guitar out of the box then there is nothing wrong with a laminate guitar. If you want something where the sound will mature with age then of course you need at least a solid top if not back and sides.

Really though it's about buying the best guitar you can afford. If your shopping in the budget end of the market all you need is something very playable and that sounds decent enough that you want to play it. At least these days the quality has improved massively at the less expensive end of the scale :)
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