Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Archive.

The Yamaha SY99 is a synthesiser combining frequency modulation synthesis (branded as Advanced FM) and sample-based synthesis (branded as Advanced Wave Memory 2) and the direct successor to Yamaha's SY77/TG77

Moderators: Derek, parametric, Saul

United States of America
Sglov25
Member
Member
Posts: 50
Joined: Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:07 am

Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Archive.

Unread post by Sglov25 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:48 pm

Hello to all. Hey Saul....I finally got my SY99. Went with davelippo7 through Ebay. It came with new backlight, belt and battery. Absolutely LOVE it! I would highly recommend Dave as he is an Engineer and goes over all of his keyboards and is an expert on what he sells.

He still has an Sy99 and SY77 among several other nice things. My question is how do I download the Yamah TX16W patches from the Bjoern Soundware Archive? When I try with the 720K recycled floppys...I get the "not enough storage" response. If anyone is interested in purchasing floppy's I got mine from:

http://floppydisk.com/#DS_DD

I do have a Jaz drive in the Computer I have...although I've never used it. Tried to view it once but was only able to see the C drive, floppy drive....so I'm not entirely sure it's working. I think I might be missing a cable? I also purchased "FM Alive" and SY Manager.

Are any of these viable options to save and access larger files such as TX16W?
Any input is appreciated. I've already downloaded several of the sounds available on Bjoern and was smiling like a "Fat kid eating cake!" Lol!
User avatar United States of America
Clyde
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 6073
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:00 am

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by Clyde » Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:03 am

Have you downloaded them from the site to your computer? I have to assume you are getting this message when trying to transfer them to floppy from your computer. I have not run into this issue, when I try to save more data than a single floppy will hold, I've always had it save as much as possible to one disk, then was prompted to insert another disk, etc. until all the data was copied. I also know some of my native SY99 files I've saved on the SY require three disks when I have almost 3mb of samples in the file. Perhaps our own Derek's SY Factory program might offer a solution for you, perhaps Derek will pop in shortly and comment.
Clyde
DX7IIFD, SY77, SY99, Hammond C3, Steinway L, CP300, AW1600, etc.
United States of America
Sglov25
Member
Member
Posts: 50
Joined: Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:07 am

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by Sglov25 » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:33 am

Okay. I did see in the text file that comes with the download of the TX16W DX7 patches that "Yamaha Disk Extractor" was needed. Is it available in the SY Manager edition that I downloaded? Or the sy.factory?

I'm assuming that what you refer to here as "Yamaha Disk Manager" is actually the same as the "Yamaha Disk Extractor" referred to in the text I read in the download?
User avatar Wales
Derek
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 4411
Joined: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:00 am
Contact:

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by Derek » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:50 am

Hi,

The YDE program is actually included in the TX16W_DX download. :)
Regards
Derek Cook

http://www.carregddu.co.uk
http://www.echoes-music.co.uk
http://www.xfactory-librarians.co.uk
http://www.ex5tech.co.uk
United States of America
Sglov25
Member
Member
Posts: 50
Joined: Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:07 am

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by Sglov25 » Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:45 pm

Oh! There you are Derek! Thanks....I'll open it again and figure it out knowing that. Good looking out my Man! Appreciate you all.....
United States of America
Sglov25
Member
Member
Posts: 50
Joined: Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:07 am

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by Sglov25 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:21 am

I found the extractor and opened the file using WINRAR. I see the patches but when I double click on the extractor....the DOS window opens quickly then closes. I imagine I'm doing something wrong?
User avatar Wales
Derek
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 4411
Joined: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:00 am
Contact:

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by Derek » Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:09 am

I'm guessing that the program is opening, but because you haven't told it what to do via the command line, it's closing immediately (and closing the window), so double clicking on it is not of much use.

You need to manually start a command prompt e.g. from the run option in the start menu, type CMD.

Here you can CD to the directory where you have extracted the archive, type yde and give it a name of one of the file in the archives and see what happens; you may need a blank disk in your drive. Or type yde /? (variants may be ? -? /h /help help -h or -help) to see if it gives you help on the options.

To help you, I have tried running this on my WIN7 computers, and my WIN7 64 computer will not run it at all as it doesn't like running 32 bit DOS programs, and My WIN7 32 PC will run it, but it bombs out with a run time error. I lost interest at that point ;)

I googled YDE and Yamaha Disk Extractor, but got nothing relevant back (e.g. yde = Youth Dance England!, Yamaha Disk Extractor = some tool for motorcycle brake discs!)

So, that's as much as I can help in terms of using YDE.

But is there a specific reason why you want these files in particular? If it's to experiment with Custom samples, then a lot of SY99 TNN files have samples built in. If the files are bigger than 111KB, they will have sample or sequence data in.

sy.factory will support TNN files with samples, WNN files and MSDS dumps. And it will also import wave files.

If you still want to use these TX16W files and can get the files extracted, I could take a quick look to see if I can get them to open in sy.factory if you send them over. As mentioned, sy.factory can open WNN files, so there's no reason why it could not open TX16W files, although some work might be needed. But first you need to get them extracted!
Regards
Derek Cook

http://www.carregddu.co.uk
http://www.echoes-music.co.uk
http://www.xfactory-librarians.co.uk
http://www.ex5tech.co.uk
United States of America
Sglov25
Member
Member
Posts: 50
Joined: Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:07 am

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by Sglov25 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:37 pm

Thanks Derek. I sort of fiddled with it last night and had figured out the part about the command prompt and tried putting in variations of the file to no avail.

I want to just look and listen Bro. I love the DX electric piano sounds ....so I'm eating them all up like Pac Man! I have "Best DX which I think gave me 4 banks of patches including the array of DX Pianos. I'm like a Kid in the proverbial Candy Store!

Since you mentioned "samples" my next question is....Does the SY99 sample without any additional hard or software?

I know for my Yamah EX5 and my Korg TR88 other hardware is required.

I downloaded sy.factory and the librarian but still need to register whichever one needs registered. I bought one Software...don't recall which....may have been one I mentioned or FM Alive. I will take another look armed with the info you've so graciously given and get back with you Sir.

Thanks
User avatar United States of America
Clyde
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 6073
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:00 am

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by Clyde » Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:51 pm

The SY99 is not a sampler, therefore you cannot sample with it. However you can import samples if you first convert them to the SY99 format, I have imported and loaded a lot of samples to my SY99 using the program Awave. Take any.wav file and go into Awave, it offers a conversion to SY format, does it quickly and easily, I then save it to disk and load it into the SY99. You are then ready to use that wave to create an AWM waveform on the SY99.
Clyde
DX7IIFD, SY77, SY99, Hammond C3, Steinway L, CP300, AW1600, etc.
United States of America
Sglov25
Member
Member
Posts: 50
Joined: Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:07 am

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by Sglov25 » Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:38 am

Wow! Thanks Clyde. What type of sounds or Instruments do you find yourself creating?
User avatar United States of America
Clyde
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 6073
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:00 am

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by Clyde » Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:41 am

I wanted a better acoustic piano so ended up finding some Steinway grand piano samples that I converted and loaded to the SY99. Since my SY99 is fully expanded with 5 SYEMB05 ram boards, I was able to load almost 3mb of Steinway waves to work with. What to load is your choice and the possibilities are limitless, choose what you like to work with.
Clyde
DX7IIFD, SY77, SY99, Hammond C3, Steinway L, CP300, AW1600, etc.
User avatar Wales
Derek
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 4411
Joined: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:00 am
Contact:

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by Derek » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:48 am

Sglov25 wrote:Thanks Derek. I sort of fiddled with it last night and had figured out the part about the command prompt and tried putting in variations of the file to no avail.

I want to just look and listen Bro. I love the DX electric piano sounds ....so I'm eating them all up like Pac Man! I have "Best DX which I think gave me 4 banks of patches including the array of DX Pianos. I'm like a Kid in the proverbial Candy Store!

Since you mentioned "samples" my next question is....Does the SY99 sample without any additional hard or software?

I know for my Yamah EX5 and my Korg TR88 other hardware is required.

I downloaded sy.factory and the librarian but still need to register whichever one needs registered. I bought one Software...don't recall which....may have been one I mentioned or FM Alive. I will take another look armed with the info you've so graciously given and get back with you Sir.

Thanks
No worries. I'm not sure what are on those TX16 disks though, and since you've expressed an interest in FM pianos, and not samples, I think you may be safe in not looking much further at them. Remember, the TX16W was Yamaha's first sampler, not an FM machine (the name confuses a lot of people, myself included!)

I think in having the SY99 you have one of the ultimate FM machines (the FS1r is the other), so you'll find more FM EPs than you'll ever need in a lifetime!

What external hardware do you think you need for the EX5 Sampling? It can sample directly from its A/D inputs at both line and mic level, or can sample internal voices. See page 176 of the manual.
Regards
Derek Cook

http://www.carregddu.co.uk
http://www.echoes-music.co.uk
http://www.xfactory-librarians.co.uk
http://www.ex5tech.co.uk
User avatar Wales
Derek
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 4411
Joined: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:00 am
Contact:

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by Derek » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:54 am

PS: If you get interested in using samples in an SY99, you can max out your SY99 to a grand total of 3MB by purchasing SYEMB05 boards from Sector 101. Each card will give you an extra 512K of memory in addition to the stock 512K. If you have any interest in this, I'd recommend you getting the cards whilst they are available.

You can check and see if you have any extra memory installed by Pressing the UTILITY button, and then pressing F1 (SYS) and then select 06:Memory Allocate. The figure at the top of the screen will show you the total installed in Kilobytes, so multiple by 1024 for Megabytes.
Regards
Derek Cook

http://www.carregddu.co.uk
http://www.echoes-music.co.uk
http://www.xfactory-librarians.co.uk
http://www.ex5tech.co.uk
United States of America
Sglov25
Member
Member
Posts: 50
Joined: Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:07 am

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by Sglov25 » Mon May 05, 2014 5:29 am

Thanks guys. I will defintely look into the SYMBO5 boards from Sector 1 Derek. I think I'll leave the TX16W patches go. Here's a link to a Youtube SY99 demo that I'd like to find these specific Dx7 patches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OinvG4HtPY

Love these electric piano sounds. I know a few are the pre-sets...but the others...I haven't been able to locate.

Thanks again Sonus, Derek, and Clyde....
Germany
JK1974
Member
Member
Posts: 88
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:01 am

Re: Downloading TX16W DX7 patches from Bjoern Soundware Arch

Unread post by JK1974 » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:16 am

I got it working on Windows 10 64-bit (it should work also work on Windows 7, MacOSX)!

Even though those disks only might have a "historical" value (especially if you have an FM synthesizer), I did not want to believe that there is no other way of getting these compressed images extracted than getting a real ancient machine with a real floppy disk drive (connected to a floppy connector on the mainboard, a USB floppy drive was said not to work).

So, first, I gave DOSBox a try. With "mount c c:\tx16w_dx" and "mount a a:" (with a: using a connected and working USB floppy drive) the Yamaha Diskette Manager started, but gave an error when accessing the floppy drive. It also did not work using an empty floppy image file with the DOSBox "imgmount" command. Checking the compatibility of the floppy emulation with the tool "TESTBIOS" from the YDM manufacturer´s page at http://www.giebler.com/#download, it showed that it won´t work that way - a web search also gave me the answer that DOSBox does not emulate direct floppy access from BIOS with interrupts etc. and that you should better stick with a virtual machine for those purposes.
Then, I tried formatting an USB stick with the "HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool" (e.g. from http://download.cnet.com/HP-USB-Disk-St ... 74082.html), because you can add DOS system files to make the stick bootable. I found a package with "msdos.sys", "io.sys" and "command.com", apparently from Windows ME, and copied the tool and the compressed TX16W disk images also to the stick. Booting up and starting the "YDE.EXE", I got an error right before seeing the first screen of the tool. Maybe, something like himem.sys was missing in the DOS environment, but on the other side, I still only had this USB floppy drive - and a multicore CPU, 8 GByte RAM etc., that by far did not exist in the early 90ies. I decided not to spend more time in adding himem.sys, autoexec.bat, config.sys etc. and see if it works that way.

Instead, I gave VirtualBox 5.0 a try (https://www.virtualbox.org/) . Starting up a Windows XP VM and launching the Yamaha Diskette Manager, I got the same error like when starting from DOS USB stick. But why not using plain DOS in VirtualBox instead (because WinXP was not based on DOS anymore)? So I set up a virtual machine as type "Other/DOS" with a virtual hard disk of 20 MByte ( 8) ). Further detailed information on how to set up DOS 6.22 can be found e.g. at http://www.instructables.com/id/How-To- ... irtualBox/.
Now, how to use this "new" virtual DOS with our data? With the tool "Disk-Manager" from http://www.lexlechz.at/en/software.html I created an empty 1,44 MByte floppy image file for the YDE tool and the YDW files and several 720 KByte images where the Yamaha Disk Manager should extract the data. Maybe any other floppy image editor will work too (even 7-Zip is able to open regular floppy images), but the missing second FAT12 on original TX16W files might make trouble - "Disk-Manager" also shows a warning message.
Then, using the "Disk-Manager", I copied the "YDE.EXE" and the files into the 1,44 MByte image file, inserted it as virtual floppy drive into VirtualBox and then copied the files within the virtual DOS from this disk to the DOS HDD ("copy a:*.* c:"). Because not all the YDW files fit onto one disk, I had to play virtual disk jockey, deleting copied files from the image with the "Disk-Manager", coping new files onto it and then inserting it again, copying the new files (maybe, you would also have been able to add the files to the DOS virtual image file directly, but I did not get it to work).
Having all files transferred to DOS-"c:", I inserted one of the empty 720KByte into the VirtualBox virtual floppy drive, started "yde.exe", selected the YDW file I wanted to extract - and then, it was magically written to the virtual disk without any erros. The files in the image could then be extracted again with the "Disk-Manager".

Why all this text? For your information, for me to remember, and for Google. ;)

Because attached, here are the extracted files.
TX16W_DX.zip
(2.04 MiB) Downloaded 172 times
Post Reply

Return to “Yamaha SY99 Forum”