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I am sure Patrick will correct me on this but my understanding is that the American people have a right to bear arms because they act as a huge standing army. It is a deterrent to any country that might be daft enough to invade. Wasn't there something in the constitution about it?

Honestly though I think most of them are more likely to aid an invasion by their total lack of common sense. Probably end up shooting their own side...or shooting their own feet off.

They should just disarm everyone and start again. If they really must have guns at least make sure the people using them have more than two brain cells to rub together :/:


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Saul wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:44 am But surely Trump is in cahoots with the gun lobby so there is no chance people's guns are going to be taken away?

We have never had guns here in the UK. Most of our police are still unarmed apart from tazer's and some harsh words :lol: We do of course have armed officers now but they are not the norm and generally speaking you only see them at airports and around the houses of parliament.

Even in countries where the police are armed such as France, the general population do not have guns.

Your northern neighbour Canada does have guns but a fraction of the crime rate. Why is that?

It just seems very odd to most of us that you can have ordinary civilians roaming the streets with assault rifles and no one is disarming them? If they did that here they would be in serious danger of being shot by the police or military. It just wouldn't be tolerated.

Still...you do have elections in November. Surely after all the damage he has done in the world and to the USA's reputation people are not going to vote Trump back in for another four years?

I do think that in some areas it is a culture thing, sort of, and or the Canadian laws are better as to why Canada has a better handle on the situation.
Also as parametric just said,
Americans citizens have access to the big weapons, and American gun laws make it as easy to buy a super gun as it is buying a pack of gum.

It really sucks that trump is only making the American situation worse.


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Saul wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:59 am I am sure Patrick will correct me on this but my understanding is that the American people have a right to bear arms because they act as a huge standing army. It is a deterrent to any country that might be daft enough to invade. Wasn't there something in the constitution about it?

Honestly though I think most of them are more likely to aid an invasion by their total lack of common sense. Probably end up shooting their own side...or shooting their own feet off.

They should just disarm everyone and start again. If they really must have guns at least make sure the people using them have more than two brain cells to rub together :/:

We have armed citizens in America because when the country first started we had citizens form mallitias because we had no army.
That way we had an army of sorts.
Plus considering the time it was in.
Back when we needed guns to hunt for food, and fend of the Indians and Mexicans.
Even though my forefathers were the invaders from the Indians and Mexicans point of view.

Maybe that lends something to the problem of America.
We started off this country as invaders to the indigenous peoples, and all through are history fighting for a piece of ground that wasn't ours to begin with.
Passing that down through the generations.

We now have among the largest military in the world, yet America never disbanded the millitias.


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Saul wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:59 am I am sure Patrick will correct me on this but my understanding is that the American people have a right to bear arms because they act as a huge standing army.
THAT is what I understand, but it only (I believe) applies if you are a MEMBER of an aforesaid Official Standing Army . . .

Which I guess means "National Guard" (in the States) or similarly Territorial Army, over here . . . .

I don't believe The Terriers are allowed to hold weapons other than in the Barracks, or on manoeuvrers?


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It's certainly a difficult situation. Are there any stats on just how many guns are out there?


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BTW,
I like the way you guys think across the pond. :)


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Saul wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:20 am It's certainly a difficult situation. Are there any stats on just how many guns are out there?
I do not know the stats, but my guess would be,
too many, lol.


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As Human beings - we LIKE to think we're top of the tree/state of the art/king of the castle - but are we?

As soon as SOMEONE discovered that Humans don't do well with a hole in them . . . . What did we do?

We invented a machine for making holes in them :lol: :roll:

You couldn't really make it up - could you . . . . . ? :lol:

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You are absolutely right Chris. I think it all points back to that film 'Idiocracy' It looks increasingly like a very unintended vision of the future.


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"Scots scientist cracks the coronavirus DNA code" - Human trials may start in April - google and ye shall find.

More immediately useful -

Take vitamin D - that's why people don't get the flu, or similar, in summer - the heat has nothing to do with it.

Don't overdo it though - 20 micro grams per day, every day (20ug aka 20mcg or 800-1000 iu), is likely to be the most effective dose.

I can provide a couple of sources explaining that, if that's okay, but the main source is the British Medical Society Journal report from 2017 :

BMJ 2017 respiratory infections research

"Vitamin D supplementation to prevent acute respiratory tract infections: systematic review and meta-analysis of individual participant data"

Zinc might be helpful too, if you don't get a lot in your diet - but that's the opinion of a doctor (and medical lecturer) I found, not based on research - drug companies don't pay for clinical trials for things like that because there's no money in it.

Taken in moderation, it can't hurt - so now you can tell people to go lick a galvanised bucket, without risk of offence :)

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Not sure how this relates to the topic, but perhaps we should leave the medical recommendations to the specialists? I could also assert that it is also proven that one or two of the main infection vectors is touching infected people (handshake etc.) or surfaces touched by infected people and the lifespan of a virus is significantly less in high temperatures.

Of course, if you eat a kilogram of garlic while standing on your head on any odd day number of the month while the moon is in its first quarter you will be 100% protected against all viruses. Guaranteed, read it on FarceToob (or was it Twatter?).

Surely there are enough 'snake-oil' merchants out there already. Let not YM become one of them, eh?


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jima wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:52 pm Not sure how this relates to the topic, but perhaps we should leave the medical recommendations to the specialists?
How do you feel about a referral, to a specialist?

I don't want to clutter up the thread with links I've found, but I have some good ones.

Is the future too bright? 8)

E2A: Sorry; I meant to add - how it relates is that I have the means and opportunity to watch the whole of the documentary on our current political system and social norms, in question - purely for review purposes under fair use etc - but so far have only found the inclination to watch clips, chase related memes, and so on.

As I understand it, a parallel is able to be drawn, between certain elements of this insight into our culture, and some possible reasons for our current predicament.

While I do not favour that kind of discussion, I do tolerate it in others.

I would, however, being a WHO fan, prefer to get old before I die.

I appreciate that head burying is more of an appropriate pass time for this forum, and I have no quarrel with that.

Should anyone else, be interested in surviving long enough to become truly aged, bent and belligerent, I would be interested in discussing strategies for that - but I fully accept that this might not be the best place.

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tux wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:30 pm
jens5 wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:48 pmMore people, less to go around. More and new diseases, less resources, famine, polution, war.
That's what 'they' want you to believe.

If all the money that those in power (first and foremost the US Pentagon, but also the UK and French governments and to a much lesser degree other European governments) spend on warfare, was being spend on civilian projects to improve lives for everybody there would be no more diseases and no more famine.

But wars are big business for the few, so 'they' have no interest to do things differently. Wars are not an inevitable fact of life, they are usually created on purpose by those in power to enrich themselves and their buddies.

But as long as some people are dumb enough to enlist as cannon fodder (soldiers), those in power have the means to start their dirty wars of profit.
Normally, I'd edit that quote down to the point I was about to address... but that kind of does it for me.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - George Orwell (allegedly - I am too fat and lazy to fact check that)

How you interpret that, depends a lot on the context, of course. Bearing in mind some of the ideas of the author, it might be tempting to stray into that other sort of discussion.

I'm more interested in survival, at this point.


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parametric wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:45 am What I DON'T understand about the American situation is this:

How in the Hell can it be justified, that "ordinary People" can own Military Grade Automatic Weapons - AK47s etc

These are clearly NOT intended nor designed for "Recreational Use".

I have an "acquaintance" who lives in Florida who sent me a pic of himself proudly posing with his (Chinese-Made) AK47.

Why would a citizen NEED that Firepower?

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A citizen needs that firepower (or any firepower) for two reasons:

1) If you live in an area that police cannot reach within a minute and someone enters your house with bad intentions you have no option but to take them out, if you can. There are cases every month of people that break in to steal money/goods for drugs or other reasons and don't care about you or your family. Homeowners with guns take them out. These cases don't make it to the press because the media has a bias against guns. I don't have a family but I have a lot of equipment that I had to work hard to get. If I am in the house and someone tries to break in I'll empty the entire magazine on them. I won't say how many rounds of ammunition it takes, just that it takes many. My keyboards, electronics, telescopes, etc are more important to me than someone's low life. I live in a very small city that has a small police force at least 4-5 miles away. We don't have a lot of crime around here but you never know. We have a saying here about this: when seconds count the police is only minutes away.

2) The guns are to be used against the government, if needed. The people that wrote the constitution had reasons to believe that governments cannot be trusted. And they were right. I don't know how a situation like this could play out but when it happened a few years ago in one of the western states and over 3000 people showed up armed, the government backed out.

Having said this I must also say one more thing: whoever wants to have a gun must go through proper training. When I did this we had officers from the local sheriff, local jail and local FBI unit do the training. I was in a different state at the time. It is not cheap but it is serious.

The reasons why we have problems with gun use is because laws and procedures are not followed. I recall visiting frequently an auction house at a tiny village when I was a student. When they were to auction a riffle or pistol an officer from the local office of the sheriff was always present. At the auction end he would collect the gun. The lucky bidder would get it a few days later from the office of the sheriff or a dealer, after the background check was completed. Not everybody follows this or other similar procedures. Not everybody locks them away properly.

I understand that many people don't like guns but they are part of this country. The USA was build with several ingredients, one of which was guns.

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No arguments from me today, only statements.

This is from a school website, and an example of what I like to call "Passive Persistence".

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