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Re: Global Warming Denial? No, Just Being Realistic

Unread post by Rigo » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:27 pm

But isn't it weird that a lot of the people saying global warming isn't happening are getting money from those companies that do benefit from not taking actions ? Just as most of the research indicating that smoking wasn't harmful was sponsored by the tobacco companies ? And would it surprise you that some of those smoking-isn't-dangerous activists are now global-warming-isn't-happening activists ?
If you really want to see a conspiracy, it's not the countries but some big companies that try to have (or keep) it their way.

But I'll stop here, won't lose my time with this thread anymore.
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Re: Global Warming Denial? No, Just Being Realistic

Unread post by Derek » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:02 pm

I am well aware that tobacco companies actively worked to protect their interests. Why would that make somebody with that view a global warming activist? There is no linkage between the two. I don't believe in the man made global warming scare (not obvious, huh ;) ) but I do believe that smoking kills people. In the latter the science and evidence is pretty incontrovertible, which is not the case in the former, and that was one of the big fallacies pedalled by the IPCC: that "the science was settled"; it's anything but. That argument was based on around 200 scientists out of however many thousands there are out there, using science based on flawed computer models that do not correlate with actual experience witnessed in the real world. That is not good science.

The argument that "big oil" is behind the cause of the "deniers" is perpetuated by the people who believe in warming, and is another Ad-hominem diversionary attack. Even if true in some cases, the alleged sums are insignificant compared to the trillions of dollars that have been spent on the "we're doomed" cause. Which side is going to have the larger vested interest in perpetuating their gravy train? The IPCC was set up to look at the human impact on climate change? I.e. it was already taken as a given, and if you didn't follow the mantra, you didn't get your research funding for the research topics that they wanted researching. That is very self perpetuating, and will result in very big vested interests.

I fully understand that some companies will go to lengths to protect vested interests, but a lot of the unravelling of the global warming issue is actually undertaken by unpaid individuals who want to establish the truth. To take the debunking of the Hockey Stick as an example again, that was achieved by a retired statistician with the time to look in detail at the issue, who had the required expertise and had an interest in establishing the truth.

I think Government action or inaction has a larger impact on the argument than anything a company like Exxon can do to influence the argument. Do you know that we (the tax payer) fund political lobbying organisations like WWF and Greenpeace to lobby on the global warming cause? That's right, these political lobbying organisations get funds from the politicians (UK and EU) to lobby them for the specific causes that the politicians want pushed on the agenda, which I think is a disgrace.
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Re: Global Warming Denial? No, Just Being Realistic

Unread post by SysExJohn » Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:08 am

Another interesting article about the confusion in the global warming debate as the antarctic ice hits a new peak extent.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/09 ... me_record/
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http://www.nasa.gov/press/2014/october/ ... ot-warmed/
Interesting!

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Re: Global Warming Denial? No, Just Being Realistic

Unread post by Derek » Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:55 pm

That was my point in one of my posts above. :) But interesting articles of course.

The combined global artic/antartic ice extent is greater today than since they started measuring/recording it. Likewise for the polar bear population, which is another big scare based on declining ice. The alarmists of course, only ever tell the story of the artic sea ice, because the antartic sea ice growing, not declining, does not fit their story. :roll:

The article you point to also highlights one of my other points above: The reality we are observing is not matching their activists prediction models, which means that the models (which the climate scare is mostly based on) are crap, and do not correctly model our complex/chaotic climate. The current models cannot forecast past events (which is the best way of validating any model), so how can you trust them to predict the future?

Whilst on the subject of ice and frozen wastelands, when the Vikings discovered a huge land mass to the west of them, they did not call it whiteland or iceland, or frozenland, they called it Greenland! ;) Another example of the climate being much warmer in previous history than it is now.

Whilst, I can't remember the precise details, another interesting story is that a few years back some climate activist decided to canoe to the North pole (or get as close as possible) to show how much further North you get these days because of the vanishing ice. This was endorsed by Price Charles as a noble cause. The guy actually got stuck, and had to be rescued, quite a few degrees further south than the recoded highest latitude for a canoe excursion which happened many years before that. I'll have to see if I can find the details, but a friend has my climate change books, so I'll have to rescue them back
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