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AMERICA FIRST ! ... is already at work!

Unread post by purcell » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:58 pm

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Unread post by Derek » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:49 pm

Well, that is what he said he would do, and he was voted in on his policies......

But my understanding is that the TTP was never ratified. It was also an attempt to create an Asian equivalent of the EU single market (yuk), so another protectionist trade cartel that is a blockage to free trade.
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Unread post by Saul » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:59 pm

I really don't see why 'USA First' is a shock to anyone. Of course he will look after the interests of the USA before anyone else, why wouldn't he? That's what most countries do. Do you think Germany puts itself at the back of the queue and looks after every other country before it's own citizens? France certainly doesn't and hopefully neither will the UK. That isn't to say you don't help your friends and allies where you can but you don't do it at the expense of your own country. Sensible policy I think.
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Unread post by Derek » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:07 pm

purcell wrote:"Do you think Germany puts itself at the back of the queue..."

Compared to the USA first (with one leader "the president")...it´s not germany first!

We have a rather strange melange of
several parties here!
SPD CDU FDP AfD Grüne Linke ...and on top Merkel!

The everyday discussion!...and only few actions!
And that will probably not change also in autumn 2017. (Elections)
Probably with Merkel again?

Merkel would never say: Germany first!
Never that aggressive "Trump way".

I can´t compare Merkel with Trump.

A squirrel...and a raptor?
Saul's point is that (even with a diverse coalition of parties in Germany) Germany will always put Germany first, France will put France First, UK will put UK first, USA will put USA first, etc. That is just the way of the world. A country will always put its own interests first and then see what the mutual interests are. That should not be a surprise to anybody.

Three days after inauguration, and at least WWIII hasn't started yet :mrgreen:
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Unread post by parametric » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:13 am

Forgive my Cynicism, but the last time the UK put the UK first was back in the days of GunBoats (IIRC).

Nowadays, UK Politicians give away our money with alacrity because it makes THEM look good.

There is rather TOO MUCH to be done for OUR old and infirm (for starters) for us to be giving ANY money away.

Charity begins AT HOME

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Unread post by Saul » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:53 am

When has it not been the case that America puts America first? It has always been that way so nothing has changed in that respect. Trump is simply pandering to the large swathes of the rust belt (not well educated) who voted him in. They love all this loud, brash gun-ho talk. Whether they will like the results of what they have done is another matter!

I agree Chris, the UK should be putting itself first and has failed to do so on countless occasions. Our ridiculous foreign aid budget is a perfect example of putting others before our own. I have no problem with giving aid to people hit by natural disasters, floods, earthquakes and so on but giving millions of pounds to third world fat cat dictators and to countries that can spend billions on nuclear weapons whist two thirds of their population live in abject poverty is a step way too far. We need to be spending this money here at home. Let's get our own house in order before throwing money at others.

Now I don't like Trump, I also didn't like Clinton and Obama talked a lot but achieved very little during his 8 years in office. But it seems the left just can't accept losing anything. They refuse to accept the Brexit result and they refuse to accept that Trump was elected president. No doubt it will be the same in France if Marine Le Pen performs an upset and is elected president. It's a strange vision of democracy that they hold. One where the only way is their way and anything else is unacceptable. Had the brexit result gone the other way, I very much doubt you would have seen mass protests and people trying to overturn the vote.

Anyway getting back to Trump. So he said "America First"...well so what? Where's the big deal there? He's not a career politician so he just says it as it is. I sometimes think it's about time Europe's politicians acted like grown ups not like kids who have had their toys taken away.
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Unread post by Daviedawg » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:02 am

I am not a Trumpeteer either. Far from it. But his approach is refreshing if a bit off course on some things, wildly ambitious on others and underpinned by unpleasant opinions. But maybe preferable to the stifling Euro politics which is "our way or nothing". Europe First to be dragged down by the lowest common denominator. To be seen on everything from veggies to driving licences.

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Unread post by Derek » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:28 pm

Saul wrote: I agree Chris, the UK should be putting itself first and has failed to do so on countless occasions. Our ridiculous foreign aid budget is a perfect example of putting others before our own. I have no problem with giving aid to people hit by natural disasters, floods, earthquakes and so on but giving millions of pounds to third world fat cat dictators and to countries that can spend billions on nuclear weapons whist two thirds of their population live in abject poverty is a step way too far. We need to be spending this money here at home. Let's get our own house in order before throwing money at others.
I completely agree with this. Charity should begin at home.Whilst we should help other countries when we can and should, when the NHS is falling to pieces (but the solution there is cut out the middle managers and centralise things), when OAP care is falling to pieces, when our roads are falling to pieces, it is time to spend UK tax payers money in the UK and not try and meet some 0.7% GDP overseas aid "virtue signalling" target, which no other country (to my knowledge) does.

I mean why do we still give aid to India when it has money to splurge on a space programme that is more ambitious than our own?
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