Extract samples from a .X3A file?

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Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by EXer » Mon May 21, 2018 10:05 am

How could one extract samples from a .X3A file?

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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by parametric » Mon May 21, 2018 11:06 am

My first instinct is to say - you can't, as that is a proprietary Yamaha file format . . .

But this seems to suggest otherwise . . . :wink:

http://www.jmelas.gr/motif/wave.php

perhaps it helps?

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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by EXer » Mon May 21, 2018 3:40 pm

Thanks Chris.

I have just dowloaded and tested the Motif Waveform Editor.

It has an "Export Keybanks" function which exports keybanks to WAV files, unfortunately that feature is disabled in the demo version :evil:
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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by parametric » Mon May 21, 2018 4:16 pm

DAMN :x

(wouldn't you know it?)

Perhaps someone knows another way?

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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by tux » Mon May 21, 2018 4:40 pm

What's wrong with paying the license fee to unlock the export feature?

Or do you not value all the work that has gone into making the program?
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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by purcell » Mon May 21, 2018 5:31 pm

Extract samples from a .X3A file?
That´s very simple!

You pay the "Shareware" :lol: :lol: :lol: $64.90 ! Motif Waveform Editor

And then you extract the sample.

It´s only the MELAS Money machine! He will get rich ... through "full serviced" :lol: YAHAMA!

PAY! ...then PLAY! :mrgreen:

When I see the word SHAREWARE! :twisted: :evil: :mrgreen: :roll:

Also useful with a broken computer! "WE REPAIR YOUR COMPUTER in a minute!" Demo SHAREWARE! :mrgreen:

These are the people: new product - or even old product - nice with problems, bugs, etc.!
Sniff immediately for errors and defects.Creating Programs - shareware :!: - ... and sell very expensive.
The demo is just to attract ... and is not really functional. The whole is an industry.

Whether this shareware ever works for you ... is only your problem! :lol:

The insane Windows 10 .. is by the way a bonanza .... for these shareware producers.
Clear! Bought ... and then no function. Problem remains. Happened to me.
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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by tux » Mon May 21, 2018 6:55 pm

Like with everything in life, if you can't afford it then don't buy it.

Or do you also expect your local Aldi branch to give away food for free?
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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by Saul » Mon May 21, 2018 7:03 pm

Nothing wrong with software authors getting paid for their work. A lot of time and effort goes into creating software. If it does what you need it to do it's worth paying for.

Having said that, the idea behind shareware is to "share" the software for free use, normally for a limited time but without a limitation on features. Often after a certain amount of days, 14-30 perhaps a payment is requested if you want to keep using it but, this is normally voluntary for shareware.

In this particular case it is not shareware it is a limited function demo version and the limitations should be made clear on the download page.
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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by parametric » Mon May 21, 2018 8:22 pm

I wasn't "damning" the notion of paying for the SW, just that the particular feature of interest had been included-out of the demo version . .

I don't think 60EUR is out of the way - though you'd need to see yourself making fairly regular use of it to justify purchase . . .

I bought VueScan Pro (£79.95) BECAUSE it allowed my Epson Perfection 1200 Photo Scanner to work with Vista/Win7/Win10 (and hopefully beyond) when Epson had abandoned making drivers for it.

I DO use it quite a lot - and it suited me to continue using it. (it can scan negs and trannies up to 4" x 5" - and as far as i KNOW THERE IS nothing in the market that goes that large anymore - without spending serious money).

So, if you NEED it (and you use it) - then smile and pay up, then you can relax and enjoy . . . 8) .

Just my opinion . . .

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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by Derek » Mon May 21, 2018 8:28 pm

As a software developer, I have to completely agree with Tux and totally disagree with the rather absurd post made by purcell. I can assure you that I have not yet made my fortune in software development as a sideline (maybe I am not trying hard enough), and I doubt John Melas is sipping wine on his private yacht in the Bahamas tax haven just yet. ;)

ex.factory was originally freeware in its early years, but it got to the point, three years in, when I realised it was IMO a commercial quality application, so decided to charge a modest fee for it. Few people appreciate the time and effort that goes into doing these tools (time that could be spent making music). Developers have overheads to cover as well. I pay annual license subscriptions for critical tools (MyEclipse IDE and 010 Editor), I have web hosting to pay for, the online shop charges, etc. So at the least, I like to cover my tool costs and anything over and above that goes into, for example, VSTs and/or sound packs I want, so it pays or a little of my hobby.

If people want to offer software for free then that is fine and very altruistic. Good on them. I do that as well; my CoreMIDI4J Java MIDI Service Provider for OS X is open source on Github and free of charge and anybody can have the source code. The open source model was right for that utility, especially as another developer wanted to contribute to its development as well, and we wanted to go this route as previous service providers were not open source and no longer supported as the developers had moved on. Open source meant somebody else could easily pick it up if ever I moved on from wanting to develop that.

If I want to charge for my other software, that is up to me as well, including what I wish to charge. If you like my software and want to pay for it, then that is fine. If you do not want to pay for it, then that is fine - you can carry on doing your synth patch organising the hard way (what value on your time?).

I use the same model as John Melas (it is quite common) in that the software is feature disabled for some features unless you purchase a license to unlock all features. The software in demo mode is mostly functional, with file save and MIDI export disabled. That should be enough for people to evaluate how the software works and judge its worth to them.

John produces good software. He probably charges more than I would for it, but that is his call. I am considering buying his Montage tools, as I am not sure I want to develop my own montage.factory (and all the hours it will entail) if his tools will do what I want.

Also disagree with Chris slightly :) . Just because the file format is proprietary, it doesn't mean that you cannot write tools to do it if you have the appropriate skills. It's what I've been doing since 2001 with x.factory librarians, all I need is a hex editor and a good eye for repeating patterns in files, and the time to develop a basic understanding of the format. ;)

Back OT, AWAVE can I think convert X3A files. It is shareware, but I think it will do the conversion and save for you during the demo period with certain constraints that are explained on the web site.

http://www.fmjsoft.com/awavestudio.html#main

IEXer, if it is ONLY a few files that you wish to convert, I have AWAVE (and have registered it). Assuming it still works (haven't run it for ages) and the version I have supports X3A, I'd be happy to convert them for you.
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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by parametric » Mon May 21, 2018 9:15 pm

Derek wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 8:28 pm
Also disagree with Chris slightly :) . Just because the file format is proprietary, it doesn't mean that you cannot write tools to do it if you have the appropriate skills. It's what I've been doing since 2001 with x.factory librarians, all I need is a hex editor and a good eye for repeating patterns in files, and the time to develop a basic understanding of the format. ;)
Ah well there you have the advantage of me, Derek. I never went that route, but I have unrestrained admiration for those who DID.

YOU collectively produce the tools that help me to do what I do - and fair payment is only right IMO
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Back OT, AWAVE can I think convert X3A files. It is shareware, but I think it will do the conversion and save for you during the demo period with certain constraints that are explained on the web site.

http://www.fmjsoft.com/awavestudio.html#main

IEXer, if it is ONLY a few files that you wish to convert, I have AWAVE (and have registered it). Assuming it still works (haven't run it for ages) and the version I have supports X3A, I'd be happy to convert them for you.
I'd forgotten about AWAVE . . . . . almost designed for the SY85, but capable of MUCH more, IIRC.

There was also WaveTo for Windows

I DID track down the Author sometime back - and we have his permission to host it here, though I'm not sure where it has got

to ATM. N.B. - This is an OLD version from years ago . . . .

A search in here for WaveTo should reveal the discussion . . . .

Can't remember if it will run on later Windows - it might have started on Win3.1 . . . .

[WHOOPS - UPDATE (I had no idea) Awave is NOW called Awave Studio (thanks for the link Derek)

its now at v11.2 and Windows Vista/XP/7/8 and 10 SAVVY]


Looking at the Spec. I would recommend that If you handle a LOT of different Audio Formats -

this SW will make your life easier. Over 300 formats covered . . . .

Sure, the registered version costs . . . but most things worthwhile do :wink:

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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by EXer » Mon May 21, 2018 10:44 pm

parametric wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 8:22 pm
I don't think 60EUR is out of the way - though you'd need to see yourself making fairly regular use of it to justify purchase . . .
That's the problem, I need it only *once*.

I'm after good samples of CS-80 brass and I happen to have the Motif 10th Anniversary pack which includes such samples (but I've got no Motif).
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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by purcell » Mon May 21, 2018 11:46 pm

Hello Exer! 60 € for an (one or several) CS-80 brass?

"Or do you also expect your local Aldi branch to give away food for free?" Tux ! ((i)) :lol:
I do not buy anything from ALDI! Why? They are really too expensive nowadays!
In the past they were really cheap - but also bad. Opened flour bags, ... etc.
At that time everything, was trimmed to really ! cheapest mass-produced goods.
That´s history.

So it is with the shareware!
You have a problem ... or want something special.

If you enter that in google ... immediately there is shareware, which solves exactly your problem immediately.
As a demo! :mrgreen:

So you keep on the same problem ... without solution!
If your Windows 10 goes crazy ... the problem will be solved by "Shareware" or not.
Even if you buy and pay for shareware ... it's not clear ... if this shareware really solves your computer problem.
There is enough on the internet about this topic.

https://www.russharvey.bc.ca/resources/shareware.html

Why do they even call that "shareware" ... instead of calling it a "buying program"?
In addition I noticed: To solve a single computer problem ... they take extremely high prices for their "shareware".

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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by tux » Tue May 22, 2018 5:38 am

EXer wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 10:44 pm
That's the problem, I need it only *once*.

I'm after good samples of CS-80 brass and I happen to have the Motif 10th Anniversary pack which includes such samples (but I've got no Motif).
Then maybe contact the author and ask him if he can suggest a solution. After all the author is not a big anonymous corporation but rather a single individual, so there is a good chance that he might be flexible to accommodate your need.
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Re: Extract samples from a .X3A file?

Unread post by Derek » Tue May 22, 2018 7:22 am

EXer wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 10:44 pm
parametric wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 8:22 pm
I don't think 60EUR is out of the way - though you'd need to see yourself making fairly regular use of it to justify purchase . . .
That's the problem, I need it only *once*.

I'm after good samples of CS-80 brass and I happen to have the Motif 10th Anniversary pack which includes such samples (but I've got no Motif).
As I mentioned, do download and try AWAVE. Its shareware restrictions may not limit you from achieving what you want if you can put up with the minor inconveniences that the Shareware mode introduces.

If it's a one off, like I said, I'd be prepared to consider doing it if not too large a job. If you cannot do it yourself with AWAVE, you can stick the file on a drop box or somewhere, PM me a link and I'll take a look.
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