APXT2 nylon retro

APX series guitars are designed with a focus on playability. Their thin bodies and cutaways that provide greater access to the upper frets, offer smoother switching between electric and acoustic instruments.

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APXT2 nylon retro

Unread post by randyhs » Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:36 am

Hello. I'm new to the forum so please excuse any breach of protocol as it will be completely unintentional. I have an APXT2 which I'm thinking of re-stringing with D'Addario Folk Nylon. I know the nut will need to be cut to accommodate the larger gauges. The strings are said to be 'high tension' but I expect the truss rod will still need tweaking. So, before taking the plunge, I was wondering if anyone has done this. Thanks for viewing. :)
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Re: APXT2 nylon retro

Unread post by Buzzard » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:21 am

Hi randy , Welcome to the Yamaha Forums. :D

Changing your APX from steel to nylon strings is doable, but it will require to loosen the truss rod a bit, and as you mentioned modding the nut.

Personally, I took another direction, the Yamaha AEX-500N is a fantastic thinline semi acoustic with nylon strings.

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Your approach to change the APX to your wish and specifications is very interesting, please let us know how it goes.

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Re: APXT2 nylon retro

Unread post by Saul » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:28 pm

Welcome to forum randy. I would definitely give it a go. Puting nylon strings on a steel string guitar is certainly not going to damage anything although as you rightly pointed out some adjustments would need to be made. I did that same thing many years ago with an Ovation and that worked fine although it didn't quite sound or feel as I thought it would. It was "ok" though.

If you do go ahead please let us know how you get on with it as it's something I think a lot of people might be interested in.

Peter, love that AEX. Often considered buying one but never quite got around to it.
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Re: APXT2 nylon retro

Unread post by randyhs » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:48 pm

Thanks Peter and Saul. Before I do any modding I'm going to try Silk & Steel. My APXT2 has some 'plugged-in' brittleness around 2K which I'm trying to mellow out. I haven't found EQ to help much. The tone control is also a little unusual. I've only had the guitar 2 weeks so I'm assuming this is normal. Randy.
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Re: APXT2 nylon retro

Unread post by Buzzard » Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:22 am

The EQ provided on the APX-T2 preamp is a single tone knob, if you can't boost/cut the desired tone range, a simple equalizer pedal can do the trick.

:idea: Once you change the strings, the sound/tone may be altered significantly. :idea:

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Re: APXT2 nylon retro

Unread post by randyhs » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:32 pm

Well, I went ahead and restrung my APXT2 with D'Addario EJ34 80/20 Folk Nylon strings - no modding or adjustments, I just replaced the steel strings. The first problem I encountered was how to wrap the tuning pegs - still working on that one. I was also concerned that the 'fat' .028 high E would not stay put at the .012 nut slot. But, other than a few strings riding high and low at the nut, all the strings kept their place under aggressive playing. The neck relief and string height at #12 looked unchanged. Intonation was also unchanged and remained good. My biggest surprise was the tone control. The tone control appears to be a 'body resonance' control and the circuitry seems to work better with the nylons. I'm hearing a range of tones from classic classical to an almost Martin dreadnought boom. I was in my studio noodling while plugged into my Line 6 L3T. My wife heard the music and came into the room asking what guitar I was playing. When she saw the APXT2, she was amazed at what she was hearing. Well, that sold me and I'm keeping the strings. I may cut the nut if needed but for now I'm not messing with success. The only negative I found was that some songs were harder to finger pick on the skinny neck with the nylons vs steels. That might be resolved by cutting a couple nut slots. I also tried plugging into my Blackstar HT40 combo and the guitar sounded great. I never encountered any feedback in my studio. I might try the guitar in a live setting to see what happens. I am very pleased with the D'Addario 80/20 nylons. I also have a set of EJ32 'Silverplated' strings I might try. This turned out to be a much better experience than I expected.
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Re: APXT2 nylon retro

Unread post by Buzzard » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:47 am

Amazing ((i)) sounds like you found a perfect match. :wink:

:idea: You can get nylon strings with ball ends to fit in your bridge with the pegs. :idea:

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Nylon strings with ball ends mounted on my AEX-500N

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Re: APXT2 nylon retro

Unread post by randyhs » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:56 pm

Buzzard - The D'Addario Folk nylon do have the ball end and are said to have higher tension to make it an easier transition from steel. So, I really didn't have a problem at the bridge/ball end. Most of the strings filled up their tuning post no matter how short I started the string. I knotted the tuning post end and I did not see the bit end shrink. So, it may be my inexperience with the stretch of nylon. It seems stable now. I'll do a little more research on the matter.

I was very pleasantly surprised by the results and I think the tone circuitry is the secret ingredient. The nylons certainly added lower harmonics which seemed to really turn on the system 68 pickup. That makes sense if the pickup system was designed for the APX500 and dropped into the T2. I wonder if anyone else would have the same results as I did. (Y)
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Re: APXT2 nylon retro

Unread post by Buzzard » Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:19 am

...... found some sound examples of western steel string guitars running on nylon strings ...... sounds pretty sweet. 8)


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Re: APXT2 nylon retro

Unread post by randyhs » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:06 am

I have seen those videos during my initial research. The tone I was trying to achieve was the one from the solo guitar in the video below. I think he might be using silk & steel strings judging by his bends. The accompanying guitar sounds like a normal EQ'd APXT2 to me. It was the Rainsong video that inspired me to try the high tension nylons. The mini Taylor exhibits a problem I also have with treble strings - they don't like to be plucked aggressively. This is not a problem in the Rainsong video probably because of the longer scale and higher tension. I still might try silk & steel strings. But, I do like the tone of the plugged in nylons and so does the tone circuit. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKclYjX-w0k

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