Looking for amp for CPX700

The CPX are high quality series of acoustic guitars featuring tops made from select pieces of spruce on bodies and backs of flamed maple. The CPX is designed to provide great playability for on-stage performance with large and deep bodies that deliver a dynamic sound, bracing designs that resist feedback, and single cutaways that provide access to the upper neck.

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Looking for amp for CPX700

Unread post by FuzzCowboy » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:57 pm

Hi everybody

I have a two month old beautiful CPX700 Sandburst guitar. I have
enjoyed playing it without an amp, but I am now in the process
of shopping around for an amp for this guitar.

I have only been playing for just over half a year, so I don't want
to pay for a high end amp. I simply want an amp that I can
play at home in our apartment.

I have tried the cheap Squier by FenderSA-10 Acoustic Amplifier but it really didn't
sound too good to me. Also it didn't have a mic jack, which I
would like in case I ever want to plug in a mic.

So I am looking for an acoustic amp that sounds at least as good
as the guitar unplugged. I say that because I found the Squier
made it sound worse. It didn't sound the like the guitar to me. I
want one that adds to the sound, not lessen it.

As for features... I really don't know how to use the features
that come with amps besides, volume and treble. Remember I
am just starting out. Having said that, I would like an amp that
I can grow into and not have to upgrade to a new one in the
next two years or so. So an amp with a bunch of features I
have yet to know how to use it okay.

I had a musician friend look at amps with me and he liked the
Fender Acoustasonic 30 the best. Hey it sounded great and he
showed my what some of the features did, but I still want more
opinions.

Also the Fender costs around $400.00 CDN or USD. I was hoping
for something half of that price. Any help would be most appreciated.
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Unread post by Saul » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:14 pm

Hi and welcome to the site :)

Congrats on your choice of guitar. I have the CPX700 myself and it's an excellent guitar both unplugged and amplified.

The Fender Acoustasonic is fine amp but, as you say it's around $400 and you don't really want to spend that much.

If you want the same features as the Fender at just a little over half the price then you may want to take a look at the Behringer Ultracoustic ACX450. This has a higher total output at 45watts plus 2 integrated 24 bit digital effects processors giving you a total of 32 effects. XLR Mic input, CD Input, 5 band graphic eq and 2 dedicated mic and instrument channels.

Another to look at would be the Laney LA30C. It doesn't have the DSP effects but it does have the mic input, cd input and line out. Again it's a 2 channel amp and as the name suggests, pushes out 30watts.

Myself, because I don't play live...at least not to a live audience ;) I just plug into the computer via an M-Audio Firewire Solo and use Native Instruments Guitar Rig 3. This gives me endless versatility in amp, cab and mic modelling plus of course a vast array of effects to choose from.
It's something you may want to look at if you don't need to gig....and even if you did you could always use a laptop hooked into a pa :)

Anyway, hope that has given you a few more options. Let us know how you get on.
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Unread post by FuzzCowboy » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:23 pm

wow thanks for the detailed response.

I have been reading up on the Behringer Ultracoustic ACX450
and I am interested in trying it out. I am not sure if any local
stores carry one but it can be ordered with free shipping.

I will let you know what I decide.

As for the CPX.... I think I am going to try lighter strings.
For some reason I have difficulty playing some notes without
grazing another string. I didn't have this issue with my first
guitar which had lighter strings. This grazing creates a light
buzz/vibration... which bugs me :x

Also learning a bit of piano on an old Yamaho PF-80 :-)

Thanks :-)
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Unread post by Saul » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:46 pm

I understand the problem your having with the strings. I have been playing well over 20 years now and even I find the action on the CPX700 a bit hard going!

Lighter guage strings will help but I think if you put it into your local guitar rep shop and get the action lowered a little it will make a real big difference to it's playability :)

Keep me posted on how your getting on ok.
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Unread post by FuzzCowboy » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:45 pm

Hi Saul

This is what I got done.

I had a guy tighten the truss rod... it turned out to be quite loose.
This lowered the strings a fair bit. Then he lowered the saddle
too and it was much better.

Then I was getting some buzzing on a couple of frets. He evened
them out and put on new strings for me. I had him put on
D'Addario Phosphor Bronze Lights EJ16. I was used to them from
my first guitar.

I haven't had a chance to really try it out since the overhaul, but
I can say that these strings are more comfortable to play. Though
they are the same size as the factory installed strings, they feel
softer and the bass strings are more flexible.

Now back to amp shopping :-)
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Unread post by Saul » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:58 am

Good to hear you got it sorted. Just for reference though, the truss rod is not intended to lower the action of a guitar. It's there simply to counter the pull of the strings. It does have a side effect of lowering the action when adjusted but really the action should be lowered by a combination of the altering the nut and bridge height.

Will be interested to hear how you get on with your search for an amp. perhaps you could post a short review of whatever amp you end up buying ?
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Unread post by FuzzCowboy » Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:34 am

I am back to getting the frets looked at as the BuZzing has returned.
I know only a little about these things but I know only two strings buzz
on a couple of frets each up until the fifth fret... so something needs
to be adjusted.

As for amp, saw one today which was in my price range. I hope
to bring my guitar to the shop to try it out.
Kustom Sienna 35 Acoustic Guitar Combo Amp

I also saw this one online... doesn't seem to have a mic jack :-(
UltraSound AG-30 30W Acoustic Guitar Amp

When I get an amp I will try type up a review.
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Unread post by Saul » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:51 am

Which two strings are you getting buzzing on ?

Had a look at the two amps you mentioned. Both will do what you need but neither are dual channel and also neither have a XLR input for mic or line inputs.

I suppose best thing to do is get to a store and try them out. If it sounds right then that's all that matters :)
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Unread post by FuzzCowboy » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:09 pm

Saul wrote:Which two strings are you getting buzzing on ?

Had a look at the two amps you mentioned. Both will do what you need but neither are dual channel and also neither have a XLR input for mic or line inputs.

I suppose best thing to do is get to a store and try them out. If it sounds right then that's all that matters :)
A & D strings. A buzzes the worst on 5th fret, D worst on 3rd.

As for the amps, I thought the Kustom was dual channel. Guess not.
What does XLR mean?

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Unread post by Saul » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:54 pm

The Kustom isn't dual channel. It has two inputs which you can use at the same time but that's not the same thing. In a dual channel amp you switch between say a clean and effected sound using a foot switch. It allows more flexibility.

XLR Definition:
XLR stands for eXternal Left Right or eXternal Live Return connector. The ground channel on the socket is designed to make contact with the ground pin on the plug before the other pins make contact. This avoids external signals and momentary distortion when cables are plugged in and out in a live session.

Odd about that string buzz. If the neck is perfectly straight you shouldn't be getting any fret buzz. Perhaps the truss rod a adjustment was a little too enthusiastic. Anyway I'd get it back in the shop and make sure you don't have any fret buzz all the way up the neck. The guitar tech at the shop should have done this for you though.
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Unread post by FuzzCowboy » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:10 am

Thanks Saul for explaining these things to me :-)

I will take it in ASAP, in the mean time I want
to try my guitar out with the Fender.

Last time it was my friend who played a new CPX
with the Fender. I now want to hear it with mine as
it has been played a fair amount, plus it has different
strings. I want to hear what my CPX sounds like.

I still don't want to spend that much money but
now I am thinking that maybe I should bite the bullet.
Decisions, Decisions :?

Thanks again :D
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Unread post by Saul » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:33 am

You really need to get a side by side comparison but this is often not possible.

For myself, taking into consideration value for money and performance I would have gone for the Behringer ACX450, but let us know how you get on with the Fender.
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Unread post by FuzzCowboy » Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:46 pm

Saul wrote:You really need to get a side by side comparison but this is often not possible.

For myself, taking into consideration value for money and performance I would have gone for the Behringer ACX450, but let us know how you get on with the Fender.
I agree, side by side would be the way to go. But it seems that most
places have only a handful of acoustic amps and most of them are
too expensive for me. So there is often only one or two to try.

As for the Behringer, I am still interested but the only way to try it
seems for to have to buy it first. I haven't found it in a local store
so it appears I would have to order it online without the benifit
of first trying it out. :roll:
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Unread post by Saul » Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:48 pm

In the UK we have a wonderful thing called "The Distance Selling Regulations". This means we can order online, check the thing out when it arrives and, if we don't like it send it back within 7 days of receipt for a full refund :) I take it though, you live in the US ?

I can't recommend you buy without having first tried the amp out. All the recommendations in the world don't make up for trying it yourself.
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Unread post by FuzzCowboy » Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:55 am

Saul wrote:In the UK we have a wonderful thing called "The Distance Selling Regulations". This means we can order online, check the thing out when it arrives and, if we don't like it send it back within 7 days of receipt for a full refund :) I take it though, you live in the US ?
Ah yes... I forgot that I can do that here too, though I think I have to
pay for shipping it back plus their original shipping. Could be about
$30 to $40 to try it if it turns out I don't like it.

I am in Canada, not the US.
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