Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200

The CPX are high quality series of acoustic guitars featuring tops made from select pieces of spruce on bodies and backs of flamed maple. The CPX is designed to provide great playability for on-stage performance with large and deep bodies that deliver a dynamic sound, bracing designs that resist feedback, and single cutaways that provide access to the upper neck.

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Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200

Unread post by callum116 » Fri May 16, 2014 12:25 pm

I've brought a yamaha cpx1200-ii VS and I love it but noticed that this doesn't have the truss rod cover like other CPX1200s I've seen on photos etc

Could someone tell me what's the difference between the CPX1200-II and
the CPX1200? Is it just the truss rod cover?

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Re: Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200

Unread post by TVal2112 » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:45 pm

Hi Callum,

I've just bought an APX1200 "II", and I wondered this too!

From what I can glean with internet searches, and the Yamaha website details, the only difference between the "1200" models and the "1200 II" in both "APX" and "CPX" series is that the truss rod is adjusted at the end of the fingerboard instead of at the headstock (hence no truss rod cover, because there is no "hole" there). The new style truss rod is supposed to be better, apparently.

Also, the end of the fingerboard is shaped in a way to add a partial "23 fret" which only covers the top two strings. This is only cosmetic from what I can see, as it would be difficult, and rather unnecessary to get that high up on an acoustic guitar anyway, even if you have big hands! The original model just had 22 frets right across (and no "overhang" over the sound hole).

Somebody else might be able to tell you differently, but from what I can see, these are the only 2 things that are different between the first model and the second one. All the woods and detailing, plus the preamp is the same.

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Re: Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200

Unread post by Buzzard » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:33 pm

Hi Tony, Welcome to the Yamaha Forums. :D ....... You too Callum. :D :D

Even though I'm the happy owner of a few Yamaha guitars, I haven't had an APX-1200 or CPX-1200 in my hands so far. :oops:

You may find some specs online telling the differences, however the "II" models probably have some minor improvements compared to the first series.

If you have the time, please show some pictures, and tell us more about your setup/amp , any experience shared is welcome. ((i))

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Re: Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200

Unread post by Greenbow » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:31 am

Please may I ask you a question about the CPX1200ii. I am very close to buying one, but want to get a suitable case at the same time.

I have read and compared the specs on the Yamaha website, and compared stats to a case. (Plus searched the internet for this information.) I have found a case for which all the measurements will fit, except one missed measurement. The Yamaha website does not state the upper bout measurement, (the upper body width.) Pease could you tell me if you know this specification, or please could you measure yours, then tell me?

Thank you.

P.S. I keep coming across this web-page whenever I search most things about the CPX1200ii.
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Re: Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200

Unread post by Saul » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:59 am

Welcome to the forum Greenbow. Glad to hear you found you way to us via Google :)

Have you not considered buying the Yamaha CPX case? As far as I am aware it fits the entire CPX range so should be fine for your CPX1200ii. Beautiful guitar by the way ;)
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Re: Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200

Unread post by Greenbow » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:45 am

Hello Saul, thank you for being welcoming.

By the way to keep in tune with the thread; i.e Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200. The CPX1200 had the Yamaha SRT62 pick-up system. The CPX1200ii uses the Yamaha SRT63 pick-up system.

Saul, yes I did briefly think of the Yamaha cases and in the end it might be the simplest solution. However I think I don't want a case with the Yamaha logo on it. I have my sights on a Hiscox Pro-II-GAD. They don't have logo, and they are meant to be very strong. (I just read an article where they put a guitar in a Hiscox, and close the case. Then stand on the case.)

I mean it's very likely to be rare, that I will take the guitar out of the house. However it needs solid protections still. Anyway I am aware that I am wandering a long way from the topic of this thread. I did initially think I should have started a new thread for this question. Knowing their were 1200ii owners here though seemed the right place to ask. If you think I should soon move this chat to a new thread, I can do. (I mean, I was thinking of listing specs of guitar and case, to highlight the missing measurement.)

Agreed about the CPX being beautiful. If I had to make a second choice I think I would buy Taylor 214ce DLX. (Another eye-wateringly beautiful instrument.)
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Re: Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200

Unread post by Saul » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:19 pm

As you will soon notice we don't tend to stick to the subject much around here and threads can wander all over the place. That's fine, it's the way people normally converse and that's the way we like it :)

The Yamaha cases are actually made by Hiscox so you can get the same case without the logo on it :) They are incredibly strong and well worth the money. Personally if I were paying out for a CPX1200ii I would have made them include a case in the deal. It's no small amount of change your handing over after all.
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Re: Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200

Unread post by Greenbow » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:39 pm

Yeah I read in the page you ask us to read before registration, that topic discussion can be relaxed. However I wouldn't want to make anyone feel I strayed too far. I am happy to chat though as long as everyone is happy. Or equally happy to start a fresh thread. Thank you.

Regarding measurements I just checked one final aspect. All the CPX guitars seem to be exactly the same dimensions. (As you sort of intimated earlier, Saul.)

As such: the CPX1200ii specifications.
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my case choice specifications;
Guitar case length: 1086mm /// Guitar length: 1052mm

Lower bout. : 413mm /// Guitar lower Bout: 400mm

Upper bout : 292mm /// Guitar upper bout no measurement

Body length : 521mm /// Guitar length 511mm

Body depth : 129mm /// Guitar deepest 115mm

This particular case, the Hiscox Pro-II-GAD however is listed as such. Quote, "Acoustic Steel String Guitar Case. Suitable for 95% of all Dreadnought or Folk size guitars". It fits in every dimension that is known. The only measurement missing is the upper bout for the guitar. I vaguely suspect that the Yamaha CPX1200ii (medium jumbo cutaway) might be wider in the upper bout, than a dreadnought. The CPX1200ii just might fit that case though.

Anyway, it's easy to find out now. Anyone like yourself with a CPX can measure their guitar, and please tell me. Or I can go into a guitar shop that has a CPX on display and measure the upper body (bout) width. Basically the upper bout needs to measure less than 292mm (11 1/2"). Or if necessary, I can jump up to a bigger case if needed, to the Pro-II-GJ.

I have a quote for case and guitar that I am happy with. Therefor it's just a matter of time now. (Never-the-less, thank you for the nudge on getting a case included.)
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Re: Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200

Unread post by Buzzard » Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:05 pm

Greenbow wrote:Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200. The CPX1200 had the Yamaha SRT62 pick-up system. The CPX1200ii uses the Yamaha SRT63 pick-up system.
Now, that's useful info, Thanks, and Welcome to the Yamaha Forums. :D

Once you've got the guitar, pictures and your opinion are most welcome.

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Re: Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200

Unread post by Greenbow » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:40 pm

Buzzard wrote:
Greenbow wrote:Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200. The CPX1200 had the Yamaha SRT62 pick-up system. The CPX1200ii uses the Yamaha SRT63 pick-up system.
Now, that's useful info, Thanks, and Welcome to the Yamaha Forums. :D

Once you've got the guitar, pictures and your opinion are most welcome.

Regards
Peter
Yeah, I probably will leave some impressions on the Yamaha forums if when I get round to buying.

I am still trying to find out the width of the upper bout of the guitar though. I have emailed Yamaha, and today emailed another contact at Yamaha. I tried contacting this thread starter (Callum) who bought a CPX1200ii, to ask if they could tell me. I was going to send a PM, but in fact accidentally sent an email to TV2112 - (definitely having a bad day there). I think I ruffled TVal2112's feathers and I apologise. Also I noted Saul has a CPX700 so I asked him if he would post his measurement of the upper bout.

I have added a pic of a CPX1200ii with (faint) red line across the upper bout.

In the end I think I will either have to visit a shop and take a tape measure. Or risk buying the Hiscox Pro-II-GAD and hope it fits.


Basically the case I am looking at is for dreadnought, but fits all but the missing measurement. The CXP is a medium jumbo cutaway and it might be just that bit broader across the upper bout than a dreadnought. I think the dreadnought is quite large though generally. I'll add the link of the Hiscox cases which shows a picture of the dreadnought and jumbo. I either buy and risk the Pro-II-GAD, or to get the bigger 'jumbo' case which is quite large. http://www.hiscoxcases.com/proll-guitar-cases.htm
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Re: Difference between CPX1200-II and CXP1200

Unread post by Saul » Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:02 am

I think I need to change my signature! I don't have the CPX700 now. At the moment I have an Epiphone EJ-200CE and the Taylor 114e ES2 and will soon be adding the Yamaha FG830.

I'm almost 100% sure though that the Hiscox/Yamaha case will be a good fit for your 1200ii

I'll get in touch with Yamaha now and see if I can confirm that for you.
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