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YouTube, driven by a certain ideological slant, has exercised its governing wisdom by decreeing that those who opt to shield their watch history from prying eyes shall be denied the gratification of witnessing their subscriptions' most recent offerings, grace their home page.

Upon signing in, unlike previously, a void now greets the visitor. Replacing the familiar cascade of content from subscribed channels with nothing. The intentions behind this become apparent: YouTube, in its ceaseless quest to curate a tailored experience, seeks to inundate the observer with video suggestions meticulously honed to mirror their past viewing habits, thereby cataloguing their tendencies. The latitude for choice is slender: one must concede to permit the tracking of their viewing history or resign themselves to an abyss of emptiness.

It is worth noting that my virtual realm already houses a robust fortification against useless channels and obtrusive adverts, effectively rendering the scope of their data harvest limited and ephemeral. The proposition of an algorithm perpetually shadowing my digital journeys, preordaining my viewing selections with uncanny accuracy, falls askew of my preferences. The vogue of some trending content, replete with extravagant stunts and costly pranks and reactions, festooned with wide-mouthed visages vying for the casual peruser's attention, strikes me as unengaging. The luminaries of popularity, in my assessment, often languish in a realm of listlessness . My interests are well-charted, known to me; and if I were to court recommendations, I would prefer their origin to be of a human nature, steeped in shared interests and organic rapport.

Upon brief experimentation over the past three years, I observed the fleeting resurgence of my watch history, and with it came a deluge of sombre and dystopian visuals, diverging starkly from the informational, enlightening, and uplifting content to which I had previously subscribed. A striking resemblance is discernible in this pattern—a familiar cadence reminiscent of the behavioural manipulation attributed to certain other denizens of the digital realm. A sentiment akin to this has surfaced elsewhere, where the custodians of certain social platforms have faced allegations of steering the discourse towards negativity and censorship. It is, in a peculiar sense, serendipitous; for as a service provider assumes the mantle of a tyrant, the call to seek pastures anew resonates more resoundingly.

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I sometimes wonder why I bother with social media. It is a constant stream of mediocrity and despite honing my likes, dislikes etc to what I think would be something akin to acceptable, Youtube and Facebook continue to slap complete drivel in front of my eyes at every opportunity. And those bloody annoying thumbnails showing someone agog with disbelief, surprise, anger, whatever the hell it is. Do exactly the opposite of what they intended. I just click on the three dots and "not interested" or "do not recommend". Not that it seems to make any difference because on refreshing the page, there they are again, different videos, same idiots!

Youtube is now losing value as a resource for researching products etc due to the endless sponsored shills. Finding a truly unbiased review of anything is almost impossible these days.

Facebook is the same. It really doesn't matter what preferences you set, they are all ignored.

The reason for all this is money. These companies are so big and so wealthy that they really could not care less about trampling all over your privacy and preferences. They will dish up this mind-numbing morass of empty waffle just as long as it pays. 🤯
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Saul wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:50 pm mind-numbing morass of empty waffle
:lol:
This would make a great quote on a T-shirt with a stylized logo on it :wink:

From one view point, YouTube's approach to content curation and recommendation algorithms can
be seen as an effort to provide a personalised viewing experience. The personalised viewing experience
I have encountered in the past is much like experiencing a real life version of the movie "Idiocracy".
A slow brain death and virtual lobotimization on a global scale.

The algorithms employed by YouTube might inadvertently create information bubbles, reinforcing existing
viewpoints or enforcing others. It can be limiting exposure to diverse perspectives, or perspectives beyond
the scope of "accepted norms".

However enforcing the visibility of content subscriptions only if users consent to tracking their watch history,
might be perceived by some as overly intrusive, while others who have, "nothing to hide" :wink: might appreciate
the tailored content suggestions. A total white out like this is a heavy handed gate keeping approach.
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Saul wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:50 pm I sometimes wonder why I bother with social media. It is a constant stream of mediocrity and despite honing my likes, dislikes etc to what I think would be something akin to acceptable, Youtube and Facebook continue to slap complete drivel in front of my eyes at every opportunity. And those bloody annoying thumbnails showing someone agog with disbelief, surprise, anger, whatever the hell it is. Do exactly the opposite of what they intended. I just click on the three dots and "not interested" or "do not recommend". Not that it seems to make any difference because on refreshing the page, there they are again, different videos, same idiots!

Youtube is now losing value as a resource for researching products etc due to the endless sponsored shills. Finding a truly unbiased review of anything is almost impossible these days.

Facebook is the same. It really doesn't matter what preferences you set, they are all ignored.

The reason for all this is money. These companies are so big and so wealthy that they really could not care less about trampling all over your privacy and preferences. They will dish up this mind-numbing morass of empty waffle just as long as it pays. 🤯
Yup. I keep getting adverts on Facebook for a certain type of woman who I might be interested in. Now as much as I like looking at a menu whilst on a diet (i.e. I am happily married) I find these constant adverts annoying as I have no interest but they never seem to stop. So I now report all of them now as "sexually inappropriate" as I ask myself the question, why are these adverts appearing - hardly for a platonic conversation? Maybe FB will get the message one day.

I do wonder when a 100 years from now our descendants look back on the era we are living in that people will go WTF for all sorts of reasons. Don't get me started on listing them. Meanwhile in the real world life (in the UK at least) is not that bad. Could be a lot better of course...
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I get those ads too Derek. And like you, I report them as sexually inappropriate. No matter how many times I do that they still appear. And I don't even understand why. What is the point of continually filling my feed with this rubbish when I clearly have absolutely zero interest? Surely that is not what the advertisers are paying for. They want their ads in front of people who are likely to click. Not people who keep reporting the ads as sexually inappropriate. :/:

If it wasn't for the groups I run I probably would not use FB at all. I rarely post on my personal profile.

Youtube, I do have the channel but I have not uploaded anything for quite some time. I keep meaning to rectify that but I just never get around to it.

All the channels I sub to on YouTube are music related, a few tech channels, metal-detecting channels and one motoring channel (High Peak Autos). And yet most of what turns up in my feed has bugger all to do with any of it.

Oh and since they removed the ability to show videos in your feed by date it has become a complete mess of stuff you just don't ever want to see. They make you wade through it in the same way stores keep moving your most shopped-for products around in the hope that you will buy something else they have shoved in your face.

That makes me so angry! They insult our intelligence thinking we don't see what they are doing. It is so obvious though. All so manipulative.

It does actually make you wonder why you bother.
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I am certainly not one for sharing my life on FB. I use it to keep tabs on family and friends, have a chuckle at stupid things and share a few, use it for a little bit of promotion and so on, but I am not wedded to it.

So why I get adverts for “friendly ladies” and Heatpumps and Solar (in which I have no interest as well) is beyond me.

Touchwood on YouTube things have mostly stayed relevant for me and I upload very little.
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While I was working on something, I had a background YT tab open with ambient music playing.
I am fortunate I was at he end of a chapter when this happened:

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I don't remember this being a thing last year, now it is.
It did happen a few weeks back--it was an abrupt interruption to creative thoughts.
They're doing a good job, of turning people away. :lol:

Sign off and put on voyager.
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Now is that my Voyager? :D
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I'm sick of it. Firstly I got a virus when I clicked on a story recently as I have many times..( I won't do THAT again. ) I post human interest stories on my profile..recipes, etc.. usually historic stories. (I will have the most boring FB page ever now). Anyway a flag came up on our computer (supposedly from our anti-virus) and directed us to a hacker for tech support. We thought they had taken our data..including precious photos...but the files were hidden. Saul really helped us out and tried to calm me down.. :lol:

The first thing that meets my eyes on Facebook are scenes that5 my eyes can't unsee and the last one I reported involved children!

And yet....if they don't agree with your political point view or their bot hones in on trigger words that are innocent, they will ban you and put you in "Facebook jail". For awhile, my profile was being used for borderline porn after reporting another really raw image. I'm not talking about semi-nudity ...it was disgusting. They said they were allowed to have that freedom. Freedom is defined by them.

I want to get off of there but that's how I keep in touch with my relatives..still, I'm about to dump them. When I sent a message to someone and the word "Covid" came up. It wasn't controversial in any way. It didn't even involve the vaccination. They flagged my message!! Do they get into my messages? Yes they do.

Maybe i should just email my family and friends.. That would be better.
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Derek wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:35 pm Now is that my Voyager? :D
Yes :D and Enceladus
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shelly0624 wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:31 pm I'm sick of it. Firstly I got a virus when I clicked on a story recently as I have many times..( I won't do THAT again. ) I post human interest stories on my profile..recipes, etc.. usually historic stories. (I will have the most boring FB page ever now). Anyway a flag came up on our computer (supposedly from our anti-virus) and directed us to a hacker for tech support. We thought they had taken our data..including precious photos...but the files were hidden. Saul really helped us out and tried to calm me down.. :lol:

The first thing that meets my eyes on Facebook are scenes that5 my eyes can't unsee and the last one I reported involved children!

And yet....if they don't agree with your political point view or their bot hones in on trigger words that are innocent, they will ban you and put you in "Facebook jail". For awhile, my profile was being used for borderline porn after reporting another really raw image. I'm not talking about semi-nudity ...it was disgusting. They said they were allowed to have that freedom. Freedom is defined by them.

I want to get off of there but that's how I keep in touch with my relatives..still, I'm about to dump them. When I sent a message to someone and the word "Covid" came up. It wasn't controversial in any way. It didn't even involve the vaccination. They flagged my message!! Do they get into my messages? Yes they do.

Maybe i should just email my family and friends.. That would be better.
It's becoming difficult communicating with people, free email providers, sms, messages on any socials aren't private,
there's no landline phones any more. Letter by snail mail doesn't happen any more, 'cause people can't
write, can't read, and the cost of, and untimely fashion of-the delivery of any postage prohibits it anyway.
Many times I was in FB and YT jail, not doing anything wrong, just not complying the current 'narratives'.
I left it (FB) a few years ago, the toxicity was to much, among other reasons.
'Special' data should be kept on offline hard drive's, that way no ransoms for
data can be held against anyone. Sneaker-net is the safest for personal data.
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Rara wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:06 am
Derek wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:35 pm Now is that my Voyager? :D
Yes :D and Enceladus
Thanks, I need to get more recorded and out there, but it's that time of year when I need to be outside!
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Derek wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:17 pm Thanks, I need to get more recorded and out there, but it's that time of year when I need to be outside!
I put those two on a loop in winamp, it works well.
Ancient starlight is another good one, quite fitting to some of my other earlier work I'm doing.
The opposite for me at the moment. indoors cold and a bit windy.
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I didn't realize the topic was about YouTube, not FB! :lol: I was so hacked off at Facebook that I went into a rant. The image of two children, little boys, made me want to explode! Facebook should be shut down if they can't filter some of that stuff out. I suppose those are hackers that get on there and post that stuff, but I can't unsee that image. I love children and I'm still upset.I hope that more and more of those rats' nests will be uncovered by the authorities and that children, teens and even trafficked adults, will be set free.
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Youtube, Facebook, they are all the same these days Shelly. I constantly see fake news adverts on my FB account. I report them but it makes no difference. FB doesn't care. It is ALL about the money. Same with Youtube although to a lesser extent. It is not so much that I mind the ads. I hate the way they advertise things I have absolutely zero interest in and also just dump the ad in the video at completely the wrong time.

UK tv is getting like that now too. We used to see a small bar at the top right or left of the screen that would indicate an advert break coming, I think they were called cue dots. But now you are watching something, getting into it and BAM! a series of adverts, usuallly over 5 minutes of them, break the immersion with the result that I often I just give up and turn the program off. At least we still have the off switch 😂

There is a huge problem with advert filtering on social media. The scumbag child abusers and low-life purveyors of porn seem to have found a way to get through whatever safety measures have been put in place. The only way things will change is for the social media platforms to be made accountable for the content. At least in terms of adverts. I think this is something that is coming, and they only have themselves to blame. Greed has left the doors open and it is about time those doors were very firmly closed for good.
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