Begging for ROMS
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Re: Begging for ROMS
Ilias,
Ironically, based on very recent experience of buring my own chips, the issue with the CPU you already have may be that the pins don't seat tight enough in the CPU socket. I had a chip that I burned where everything worked except it wouldn't access the disk drive.
Taking out the CPU, gently bending all the pins outward a little bit, then reseating it solved the issue. So it's possible in your case that the pins that are the I/O for the wheels may not be making proper contact.
Manny
Ironically, based on very recent experience of buring my own chips, the issue with the CPU you already have may be that the pins don't seat tight enough in the CPU socket. I had a chip that I burned where everything worked except it wouldn't access the disk drive.
Taking out the CPU, gently bending all the pins outward a little bit, then reseating it solved the issue. So it's possible in your case that the pins that are the I/O for the wheels may not be making proper contact.
Manny
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Re: Begging for ROMS
Hi everyone,
sorry, didn't get a notification from this forum, so I didn't notice the reaction, will check my notification settings now ...
Manny, thanks for the hint - will try bending the pins. Need to find out wich ones are exactly the ones for the wheels - is it documented somewhere?
Pulling the CPU out of it's socket: Can I do it like gently levering it from the two edges or do I need a special tool?
Regarding the SEQ 1.3 ROM see the attached picture as a proof ,-) I attached a picture from the chip too - it is IC 101, right?
Will contact Miks for sending him the SEQ ROM chip next week.
- Ilias
sorry, didn't get a notification from this forum, so I didn't notice the reaction, will check my notification settings now ...
Manny, thanks for the hint - will try bending the pins. Need to find out wich ones are exactly the ones for the wheels - is it documented somewhere?
Pulling the CPU out of it's socket: Can I do it like gently levering it from the two edges or do I need a special tool?
Regarding the SEQ 1.3 ROM see the attached picture as a proof ,-) I attached a picture from the chip too - it is IC 101, right?
Will contact Miks for sending him the SEQ ROM chip next week.
- Ilias
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4 x Yamaha SY99 + Sector101 Blades, 3 x Ensoniq SQ80, Yamaha RS7000, Novation Bass Station II, Roland SPD11
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Re: Begging for ROMS
AN0, AN1, AN2 on the right-side of the CPU read the wheel positions:analogreek wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:57 amManny, thanks for the hint - will try bending the pins. Need to find out wich ones are exactly the ones for the wheels - is it documented somewhere?

It's probably best to adjust all the pins on the CPU. Just flip it over and push the little curves at the bottom of the legs out toward the edge of the package:

Brian
Re: Begging for ROMS
Ilias,
I strongly recommend you get a PLCC chip removal tool:
https://www.amazon.com/RadioShack-Extra ... B0047OMZYY or similar
Regular 32 pin EPROMs can safely be done with a small flat screwdriver.
Manny
I strongly recommend you get a PLCC chip removal tool:
https://www.amazon.com/RadioShack-Extra ... B0047OMZYY or similar
Regular 32 pin EPROMs can safely be done with a small flat screwdriver.
Manny
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What's a Roland ...?
YouTube FM Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXY8GT ... R0TSw/feed
SoundCloud FM Examples: https://soundcloud.com/manny-fernandez-4856421
Re: Begging for ROMS
Yes, IC 101 is the right chip containing the SEQ firmware part.analogreek wrote:Regarding the SEQ 1.3 ROM see the attached picture as a proof ,-) I attached a picture from the chip too - it is IC 101, right?

I second that - a PLCC package isn't that easy to remove without the right tool. You may easily damage the chip/pin(s) or the socket!I strongly recommend you get a PLCC chip removal tool

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Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade
Ferrofish: B4000+
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade
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Re: Begging for ROMS
Excellent advice Manny. . . .
The correct tool is worth it every time . . .
ICs have a definite talent for doing a somersault and inserting their "legs" into the MEAT of your thumb . . .
And YES, I AM speaking from experience . . .
parametric
The correct tool is worth it every time . . .
ICs have a definite talent for doing a somersault and inserting their "legs" into the MEAT of your thumb . . .
And YES, I AM speaking from experience . . .

parametric
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Re: Begging for ROMS
Thanks for the advice about the tool - just ordered one ...
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Re: Begging for ROMS
I've recently been burning a few sets of EPROMs and CPU's and decided to burn one EPROM with the Musitronics 1.57.1EX firmware to see if it would function without the actual expansion board installed.
It does in fact function normally !!! (At least in my configuration, which is with all 5 SYEMB05's installed)
Samples from the internal wave ram load and save normally. Given the Musitronics expansion has a set of DIP switches to map the memory addresses of the expansion RAM to the correct area depending on how many SYEMB05's you have installed, this makes sense with all 5 card installed. I'll try it out tomorrow to see what happens if different number of SYEMB05's are installed
Miks -- do you still have the contact information for the person where the 1.57EX bin file came from? Perhaps they would be willing to take detailed photos of the expansion board to see the components and layout?
MAnny
It does in fact function normally !!! (At least in my configuration, which is with all 5 SYEMB05's installed)
Samples from the internal wave ram load and save normally. Given the Musitronics expansion has a set of DIP switches to map the memory addresses of the expansion RAM to the correct area depending on how many SYEMB05's you have installed, this makes sense with all 5 card installed. I'll try it out tomorrow to see what happens if different number of SYEMB05's are installed
Miks -- do you still have the contact information for the person where the 1.57EX bin file came from? Perhaps they would be willing to take detailed photos of the expansion board to see the components and layout?
MAnny
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Kurzweil K2000, Korg Wavestation EX, Kawai K1, Sequential Pro One, Arp Odyssey
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SoundCloud FM Examples: https://soundcloud.com/manny-fernandez-4856421
Re: Begging for ROMS
No sorry, I have no contact to that guy... but IIRC he is (or was) a member of this forum...
Here you can download the manual for the "Musitronics SY99 PCM RAM" (in English):
http://www.musitronics.org/manuals/user/SY99EX-USER.PDF

Here you can download the manual for the "Musitronics SY99 PCM RAM" (in English):
http://www.musitronics.org/manuals/user/SY99EX-USER.PDF
My (key related) gear (in alphabetical order):
Ferrofish: B4000+
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade
Ferrofish: B4000+
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade
Re: Begging for ROMS
So a little left turn / thread hijacking (?)
Miks,
Looking at the Musitronics install instructions which shows the specific pins on each IC that need to be tapped, it it possible referencing the SY99 Service manual to deduce the function of those control lines? If so, then knowing the sample memory mapping from this document:
Couldn't someone with the appropriate expertise design their own full 8MB memory expansion Board with current components like this SY99 ower did for the 'stock'' 2.5 MB expansion? (scoll down to the bottom)
https://sites.google.com/site/markw2k9/synthesizer/sy99
Manny
Miks,
Looking at the Musitronics install instructions which shows the specific pins on each IC that need to be tapped, it it possible referencing the SY99 Service manual to deduce the function of those control lines? If so, then knowing the sample memory mapping from this document:
Couldn't someone with the appropriate expertise design their own full 8MB memory expansion Board with current components like this SY99 ower did for the 'stock'' 2.5 MB expansion? (scoll down to the bottom)
https://sites.google.com/site/markw2k9/synthesizer/sy99
Manny
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Yamaha VL1v2 & VL70m
Kurzweil K2000, Korg Wavestation EX, Kawai K1, Sequential Pro One, Arp Odyssey
What's a Roland ...?
YouTube FM Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXY8GT ... R0TSw/feed
SoundCloud FM Examples: https://soundcloud.com/manny-fernandez-4856421
Yamaha VL1v2 & VL70m
Kurzweil K2000, Korg Wavestation EX, Kawai K1, Sequential Pro One, Arp Odyssey
What's a Roland ...?
YouTube FM Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXY8GT ... R0TSw/feed
SoundCloud FM Examples: https://soundcloud.com/manny-fernandez-4856421
Re: Begging for ROMS
That's be far beyond my capabilities and my skills in electronics!DrSynth wrote:Couldn't someone with the appropriate expertise design their own full 8MB memory expansion Board with current components like this SY99 ower did for the 'stock'' 2.5 MB expansion?

BTW: that guy is incredible!



My (key related) gear (in alphabetical order):
Ferrofish: B4000+
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade
Ferrofish: B4000+
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade
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Re: Begging for ROMS
Hi All,
I'm working on an update to my SY Manager app. and have hit what looks to be a hardware problem. My SY99 has the v1.4 ROM.
The problem occurs when SYM sends a voice patch to the edit buffer. On my SY77 the code works fine but on the SY99 the voice mode is switched to 1AFM Mono immediately after the sysex is sent.
I can get round this problem by sending a Mode parameter change message but have to introduce a minimum 1.25sec. delay to allow the SY99's hardware to catch up. This obviously slows the UI up and the code can only be executed synchronously.
So assuming this was a bug in the v1.4ROM I'd really appreciate some help on upgrading to v1.57. I have installed upgraded ROMs on my TX802 and TX81Z but I don't have access to a burner.
Jon
I'm working on an update to my SY Manager app. and have hit what looks to be a hardware problem. My SY99 has the v1.4 ROM.
The problem occurs when SYM sends a voice patch to the edit buffer. On my SY77 the code works fine but on the SY99 the voice mode is switched to 1AFM Mono immediately after the sysex is sent.
I can get round this problem by sending a Mode parameter change message but have to introduce a minimum 1.25sec. delay to allow the SY99's hardware to catch up. This obviously slows the UI up and the code can only be executed synchronously.
So assuming this was a bug in the v1.4ROM I'd really appreciate some help on upgrading to v1.57. I have installed upgraded ROMs on my TX802 and TX81Z but I don't have access to a burner.
Jon
Re: Begging for ROMS
Hi Jon,
the biggest obstacle to overcome is to obtain a H8/532 CPU programmed with the 'correct' code. It seems that Manni alias DrSynth had successfully programmed some empty CPUs he found via internet - perhaps he could help you out? But be aware that the CPU has to be a 84 pin PLCC (CP-84) housing. If your SY99 has a SMD CPU - you lose...
the biggest obstacle to overcome is to obtain a H8/532 CPU programmed with the 'correct' code. It seems that Manni alias DrSynth had successfully programmed some empty CPUs he found via internet - perhaps he could help you out? But be aware that the CPU has to be a 84 pin PLCC (CP-84) housing. If your SY99 has a SMD CPU - you lose...

My (key related) gear (in alphabetical order):
Ferrofish: B4000+
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade
Ferrofish: B4000+
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade
Re: Begging for ROMS
Manny, I've found the posting:DrSynth wrote:Miks -- do you still have the contact information for the person where the 1.57EX bin file came from? Perhaps they would be willing to take detailed photos of the expansion board to see the components and layout?
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=4185&start=60#p26838
Ilmenator was last active on 01 Oct 2016, 12:22 - but contacting him may be successfull - please try to get in touch with him.
My (key related) gear (in alphabetical order):
Ferrofish: B4000+
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade
Ferrofish: B4000+
Kawai: K1 II
Korg: M1 (up'd to EX, w/ 'Cool Blue'), M1REX (w/ 'Cool Blue'), Poly-800
Roland: D-50, D-110, D-550, PG-1000
Yamaha: AW1600, DX7IID (w/ 'Cool Blue'), EX5R, RM50, RX5, SY99 (w/ 'Cool Blue'), TG500, TX-802, YMM2
Sector101: SYEMB05 (5x), SYEMB06 (3x), EXFLM2 (1kit), MCD Sweet16 (1x), WaveBlade 8MB Card (1x) & 1x Programmer Unit for WaveBlade
Re: Begging for ROMS
Jon,
I'm more than happy to beta test the software for you to make sure the bug isn't also present in 1.57 -- probably the easiest thing before dealing with all the chips and CPU. The documented changes in 1.4 to 1.57 is for the sample numbering and proper multi disk saving -- I don't recall any sysex bugs in 1.4
Manny
I'm more than happy to beta test the software for you to make sure the bug isn't also present in 1.57 -- probably the easiest thing before dealing with all the chips and CPU. The documented changes in 1.4 to 1.57 is for the sample numbering and proper multi disk saving -- I don't recall any sysex bugs in 1.4
Manny
FM Rig of DOOM!! Yamaha Montage 7, SY99's x8 , TG77's x4, Reface DX,FS1r, DX200, DX7II FD E!, DX7II FD, TX802
Yamaha VL1v2 & VL70m
Kurzweil K2000, Korg Wavestation EX, Kawai K1, Sequential Pro One, Arp Odyssey
What's a Roland ...?
YouTube FM Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXY8GT ... R0TSw/feed
SoundCloud FM Examples: https://soundcloud.com/manny-fernandez-4856421
Yamaha VL1v2 & VL70m
Kurzweil K2000, Korg Wavestation EX, Kawai K1, Sequential Pro One, Arp Odyssey
What's a Roland ...?
YouTube FM Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXY8GT ... R0TSw/feed
SoundCloud FM Examples: https://soundcloud.com/manny-fernandez-4856421