The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by Saul » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:42 am

Hi Maxx, welcome to yamahamusicians.com :)

Personally I tend to keep all my recording very simple so I tend not to run into the issues many find with recording into a DAW. I also use Logic Pro X as well as Presonus Artist and various other DAW's depending on what is needed (testing software). What I don't use however is Cubase. For whatever reason it is a very problematic DAW on my Mac so I gave up trying to force it to work and moved on.

So getting down to what it is you want to do, probably the main issue is there is no dedicated DAW function on the MODX which I think the addition of would solve a lot of the problems people are encountering. Quite why Yamaha have not yet introduced it for the MODX when they did add it to Montage through it's latest firmware update is a mystery but, I am sure it will arrive in the not too distant future.

Can you let us know exactly what you are trying to do? Maybe list it in bullet points? We will all do our best to help if we can.
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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by Saul » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:53 am

DeathFly wrote:
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How could they not have added at least one simple quantization function? Year 2018, can not believe. :o
Yamaha have never called it a 'Sequencer' and they don't view it as such which is why many of the important normal sequencer functions are not present.

It is not like Yamaha promised something and then didn't deliver it. All this was known about Montage ages ago and obviously with MODX being a version of Montage the same would apply.

There IS an issue around why there is no dedicated DAW mode on the MODX which perhaps one would expect to see given it's lack of a fully featured on-board sequencer but Yamaha did add that to Montage in the last update so I am confident they will also add it to the MODX.

We really do need to move away from blaming Yamaha for not implementing a fully fledged sequencer on a keyboard that was never intended to have one from the start and which Yamaha made no claims about.

When all of us are buying a new keyboard we look to see which one provides all or most of the features we want. We also look at the compromises and ask if we can work with them. If an on-board sequencer or lack of one is a deal breaker then clearly, do not buy that keyboard right?

There is of course nothing to say that Yamaha won't implement a more fully featured sequencer at some point down the road but right now, it is what it is.
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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by anotherscott » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:30 pm

Saul wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:42 am
probably the main issue is there is no dedicated DAW function on the MODX...Quite why Yamaha have not yet introduced it for the MODX when they did add it to Montage through it's latest firmware update is a mystery
The Montage implementation makes extensive use of all the hardware controls on the Montage, which simply don't exist on the MODX. This could mean that a direct port of the same functionality wouldn't have worked on a MODX, or that it would have worked poorly. So they could be working on a more MODX-specific approach. (Hopefully not leaving the functionality off the MODX entirely.)
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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by Saul » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:38 pm

There are many other boards out there with less functionality than the MODX but still have a DAW function. I doubt with Yamaha's extensive resources it would be too much of a stretch to put a DAW option on the MODX. They have other reasons for not doing it out of the box.
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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by anotherscott » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:17 pm

Saul wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:38 pm
There are many other boards out there with less functionality than the MODX but still have a DAW function. I doubt with Yamaha's extensive resources it would be too much of a stretch to put a DAW option on the MODX. They have other reasons for not doing it out of the box.
I wasn't saying that the MODX could not have a DAW function, only that it's possible that--even though MODX is all derived from Montage--it couldn't have the same DAW function that has recently been added to the Montage. (i.e. in response to your comment "Quite why Yamaha have not yet introduced it for the MODX when they did add it to Montage through it's latest firmware update is a mystery"). It was only added to Montage about 3 months ago, and that particular Montage implementation may not have been so easy to directly transfer to the MODX. Hopefully some variant is coming.
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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by deano7000 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:46 am

d2ba wrote:
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Can i use it to record incoming midi not from the keyboard but from a midi track on my DAW ?
Thanks in advance
This appears to still be an open question. It would be great to be able to record songs in the DAW then load them into the MODX for live playback. I've asked this question in other places in the forum but still haven't heard if anyone's tried this yet.
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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by Saul » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:30 pm

Well I just tried it with a midi track in Logic Pro X going into the MODX and it didn't work. However I should point out that I am not a MIDI expert and it could be something I had set wrong. I can though hear the midi track through the headphones on the MODX. I will give it another try later, perhaps using a different DAW and see how we get on.
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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by parametric » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:42 pm

All I will point out on this Saul, is that the board being driven from a DAW, probably needs to be in SONG mode

or equivalent, in order for it to respond to midi data on multiple channels.

In addition, the sequence being played, needs to KNOW where the required voices/performances ARE,

inside the board, and the various TRACKS in the DAW correctly set up to SEND to those locations on those channels . .

If the midi file being played is GM or XG - or other supported format - it might be largely sorted out without intervention.

You might NEED to load an instrument definition file (IDF) for the board being driven . . . .

This should be a download from Yamaha.

If using Cubase - I would expect that IDFs for most Yamaha Boards to be included :confusion-confused:

THIS file tells the DAW, WHERE the voices are INSIDE the instrument . . . .

(The ID File will of course only have details of the default ROM content of the board.

Where the user can add Banks themselves (and wish to access them via a DAW), then the IDF would

need to (and can be) edited to include these.)

An example is my Alesis Fusion - which can have Gbs of additional Banks added by the User

Perhaps that helps?

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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by dcjams » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:19 am

Hi

When I was initially researching the MODX I was disappointed to find there wasn't a sequencer on board or one that matched the capabilities of the MOXF at least, as that was the other board I was considering at the time.

But I got over it and I actually think the whole idea behind the MODX is far more powerful and interesting than just a workstation with a linear DAW like sequencer.

It really is a 'performance synth' in that Yamaha are saying here's some awesome sounds and loads of ways to perform those sounds.

But in that respect I think Yamaha could still do some more interesting things around the sequencing of the elements of your performance. Sequencing scene changes for example.

I think the 'performance recorder' is quite useful as it is with one caveat. It's a shame you can't loop record especially as you can loop playback.

Isn't part of the point of the performance recorder that you can turn your performances into arpeggios and phrases? I'm still working through the manual so I could be mistaken there.

On that basis I'd have thought it's consistent with Yamaha's expectations for the MODX to develop the performance recorder in pursuit of that end at least. Making your own arpeggios and phrases in other words.

So I'd really like to see loop record at the very least.

But I'm not complaining and will use a DAW when appropriate

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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by Angelo Taylor » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:13 pm

+1000 Saul!!!
I used onboard sequencer only with my first keyboard workstations: Yamaha PSR-510, and Korg X3 (in 1995-2002)! In real days - it is not actual! More actual - is onboard arp, and onboard analog modelling synthesys engine, as parts of real few engines in synth!. Now, I use ProTools Mix Plus hardware station, with soft v. 6.4.1., and Cubase Elemenths, as MIDI Sequencer, and VSTi host, and external word-clock generator for the synchronisation two different computers!
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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by ZT Scheer » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:00 pm

Saul wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:38 pm
There are many other boards out there with less functionality than the MODX but still have a DAW function. ...
The same can be said for a reasonably-functional sequencer ... aka Roland FA and Korg Krome both have very good onboard sequencers.

I'm not as negative about this as some. Yamaha has the singular reputation (IMHO) of not being able to design a good drum-machine or sequencer interface to save their lives. If they can't get their act together in this respect, I'd really rather have them just leave it out altogether.

Cubasis 2.x works really well with MODX. Those seeking a decent sequencer for the MODX might try this option. It's pretty much everything you'd want in a built-in sequencer, and requires only a single USB cable to get it working. It's a cinch to get it sending to external hardware, and really works well in that regard.
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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by dcjams » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:30 am

ZT Scheer wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:00 pm
Cubasis 2.x works really well with MODX. Those seeking a decent sequencer for the MODX might try this option. It's pretty much everything you'd want in a built-in sequencer, and requires only a single USB cable to get it working. It's a cinch to get it sending to external hardware, and really works well in that regard.
I'm thinking of getting a refurb 2013 11.6" MacBook Air to do exactly that. They're pretty cheap on eBay right now (£299-£359, former if you don't mind the odd dent, latter is 'A-grade'). It'll fit perfectly on the blank bit on the right hand side of the keyboard too which is super neat (I have a MODX8, might fit on MODX7 even). It's dated tech obviously but it'll definitely cope with MIDI and probably some audio tracks too.
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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by Therenix » Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:20 pm

SO... from what I'm reading, it supports 16 tracks. But I don't see a way to record onto specific tracks, so if my Imperial piano sound is recorded, it uses up 3 tracks. If I wanted to leave those 3 tracks in place / as is and switch to, for instance, a drum kit and record the percussion along side the original 3 tracks (so, using tracks 4-6 or something), is that supported or is that left to using your DAW for?
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Re: The Yamaha MODX Sequencer - Performance Recorder

Unread post by parametric » Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:05 am

dcjams wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:30 am
I'm thinking of getting a refurb 2013 11.6" MacBook Air to do exactly that. They're pretty cheap on eBay right now (£299-£359, former if you don't mind the odd dent, latter is 'A-grade').
Always worth a look here: https://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/c/571/Apple-laptops/

Not much choice ATM, but they come and go, so good to keep an eye out . . .

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