EX7 purchase?

The EX5 features a unique Extended Synthesis system which incorporates a number of advanced tone generator technologies. AWM2, AN, FDSP and VL. The EX5 is one of the best keyboard Yamaha ever produced.

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EX7 purchase?

Unread post by EB5AGV » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:39 am

Hi all,

I have the chance to buy locally (and that is a big plus after my heartbreaking transport damage on my recently acquired SY77 :cry: ) an EX7 in excellent shape. Seller asks 400 EUR for it, which seems to me on the high side but, well, good condition is always a plus.

I wonder if you can comment about what should I expect from an EX7, compared for example with my SY77, and what I would miss as my first goal was to get an EX5 but so far none has been available locally.

I had another option, a well used MOX8, for just 500 EUR... But the physical condition is a big minus for me.

Thanks!

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Re: EX7 purchase?

Unread post by EB5AGV » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:02 pm

I don't know why an answer to my post has just vanished!

All in all, I am considering the local EX7 at 350€ (I have offered that and seller seems to have accepted) and also an EX5 for 590€ but it is far from here and, adding a hard case for it and then the shipping cost, go to a whopping 890€, which is far more than I want to pay.

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Re: EX7 purchase?

Unread post by javelin276 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:57 pm

Well, the EX7 doesn't have all of the synth engines in the EX5, it looks like it's missing the VL engine, it has fewer keys (61), and is 64 voice rather than 128 (not that you use that many in a performance at any given time, unless you use the sustain pedal a lot). Personally I'd wait for an EX5 or consider a newer synth since you already have an SY77. It all depends upon what parts of the EX5 you really want.
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Re: EX7 purchase?

Unread post by Saul » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:14 pm

Sometimes posts are deleted due to spam Jose so I guess that is what happened here.

EX7 is a nice keyboard of course but it kind of depends what you need that it has vs your SY77? EX5 is always the way to go if you can but that one you mentioned seems a little pricey to me, especially taking into account shipping etc.

I would probably just wait it out for one to come up a bit closer to home.
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Re: EX7 purchase?

Unread post by EB5AGV » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:45 pm

Saul wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:14 pm
Sometimes posts are deleted due to spam Jose so I guess that is what happened here.

EX7 is a nice keyboard of course but it kind of depends what you need that it has vs your SY77? EX5 is always the way to go if you can but that one you mentioned seems a little pricey to me, especially taking into account shipping etc.

I would probably just wait it out for one to come up a bit closer to home.
Well, there seem to be some cheaper ways to ship it. It is in Spain, as I am, at about 350km from me. So price would be 590€ for the unit plus 150€ for a hard case (which I could reuse for other shipments or just to keep one of my synths inside) and then about 30€ shipping. So, if we get out of the equation the hard case, it would be 620€. It is a unit really well cared for, and that for me is very important. It has a known fault, the headphones output does not work... I don't know if that is a difficult problem to fix or not. I would not use it, as I put my headphones on the mixer console, but well, it is something which is faulty (I would of course try to fix it, as I repair electronics all day :wink: )

So, 350€ for a EX7 vs 620€ for a EX5 :?:

And then there is a EX5R for 500€ plus shipping (20€ or so) :?

What would you do?

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Re: EX7 purchase?

Unread post by Derek » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:04 am

Hi.

The EX7 has more limited DSP than the EX5, so a lot depends on how important the modelled voices are and their effects. If you want VL then it has to be an EX5. If you want AN or FDSP then the EX7 has more constraints than the EX5 all to do with the DSP count.

The EX5 has two DSP and DSP1 is dedicated to effects for Global Reverb and Chorus, and the insert effects for a Voice. DSP2 can be used for an extra three insert effects in a Performance or the special voice modes: the AN, VL and FDSP permutations with AWM.

The EX7 only has one DSP, so it has to be shared. It can be either as DSP1 in the EX5 for AWM voices (i.e. effects only) or if you are using AN or FDSP then you lose the insert effects as that block of the DSP is now used for voice creation.

So, it really does depend. If your budget stretches to it, then it would be the EX5 or EX5R for me. full synth or rack? Do you need the 76 note keyboard, or will it be most likely to be studio based, where a rack would be fine.
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Re: EX7 purchase?

Unread post by EXer » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:43 am

And the EX7 has a lesser keyboard.

I mean lower quality (it has nothing to do with the number of keys).

The EX5 has the excellent FS keybed (used on all upper range Yam and Korg synths until the Motif ES and Oasys 76, still used on the Montage in a lead free version called FSX) while the EX7 has a cheaper keybed which does *not* give the same feeling:
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when you depress a key you have to overcome a certain resistance first, then it becomes lighter, giving the sensation of "throwing" the key, a bit like on a piano. That's a very pleasant sensation, very different from the "springy" sensation of ordinary synth keyboards on which the resistance is simply proportional to the depressing of the key.
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Re: EX7 purchase?

Unread post by EB5AGV » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:08 am

Derek wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:04 am
Hi.

The EX7 has more limited DSP than the EX5, so a lot depends on how important the modelled voices are and their effects. If you want VL then it has to be an EX5. If you want AN or FDSP then the EX7 has more constraints than the EX5 all to do with the DSP count.

The EX5 has two DSP and DSP1 is dedicated to effects for Global Reverb and Chorus, and the insert effects for a Voice. DSP2 can be used for an extra three insert effects in a Performance or the special voice modes: the AN, VL and FDSP permutations with AWM.

The EX7 only has one DSP, so it has to be shared. It can be either as DSP1 in the EX5 for AWM voices (i.e. effects only) or if you are using AN or FDSP then you lose the insert effects as that block of the DSP is now used for voice creation.

So, it really does depend. If your budget stretches to it, then it would be the EX5 or EX5R for me. full synth or rack? Do you need the 76 note keyboard, or will it be most likely to be studio based, where a rack would be fine.
Thanks!!!

OK, so I am decided on EX5 or EX5R. Both have the SCSI card and at least the EX5R has a DRAM memory expansion. It shows DRAM: 34078720, FLASH: 4194304. Does that mean 64MB (i.e. 32MWords)?

I may purchase both and then decide later if I keep one or both :wink:

I could put one along the Genos (EX5R) and another one (EX5) on the synth room :dance:

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Re: EX7 purchase?

Unread post by EB5AGV » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:09 am

EXer wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:43 am
And the EX7 has a lesser keyboard.

I mean lower quality (it has nothing to do with the number of keys).

The EX5 has the excellent FS keybed (used on all upper range Yam and Korg synths until the Motif ES and Oasys 76, still used on the Montage in a lead free version called FSX) while the EX7 has a cheaper keybed which does *not* give the same feeling:
EXer wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:01 pm
when you depress a key you have to overcome a certain resistance first, then it becomes lighter, giving the sensation of "throwing" the key, a bit like on a piano. That's a very pleasant sensation, very different from the "springy" sensation of ordinary synth keyboards on which the resistance is simply proportional to the depressing of the key.
Thanks!. This helps to decide on the EX5(R). I like the SY77 and also the Genos keybeds, so something on that league is better than lesser keybeds.

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Re: EX7 purchase?

Unread post by Derek » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:25 pm

Another thing to remember is the in FDSP mode, polyphony takes a huge hit. The EX5 is 16 notes in FDSP mode and the EX7 is 8. So if you use FDSP a lot (as I do/did) then those extra notes matter a lot.
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Re: EX7 purchase?

Unread post by EXer » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:49 pm

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Re: EX7 purchase?

Unread post by jima » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:57 pm

EB5AGV wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:08 am
OK, so I am decided on EX5 or EX5R. Both have the SCSI card and at least the EX5R has a DRAM memory expansion. It shows DRAM: 34078720, FLASH: 4194304. Does that mean 64MB (i.e. 32MWords)?
The EX5 does display in words, not bytes, so this looks like fully expanded DRAM and 8Mb Flash (which can be expanded to 16Mb courtesy of Sector 101 if you care to).
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Re: EX7 purchase?

Unread post by EB5AGV » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:16 pm

Well, I did it again :whistle: ... I have bought the EX5R I commented... and also the EX7 :shock: !

To make it short, the seller has took the EX7 to my home. I had set a pair of HS5 to test it. I received some days ago a Korg M1 and had it connected to the HS5 to test it. Then I have replaced it with the EX7... And, well, it was a complete different (and better) experience. It sounds deeper, more analog, so to say. Also, this EX7 is like new. It is a one-owner unit and has been cared and used only on his home studio. It is pristine! ((i))

And the seller has even offered an small discount, so final price has been 325€, with a new in box Yamaha sustain pedal as a gift :D

So I am wondering... Can an EX5R be fully controlled from a EX7?. That could be a good combo, as the real EX5 is a bit large for my setup.

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Re: EX7 purchase?

Unread post by azrevasive » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:16 pm

EB5AGV wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:16 pm
So I am wondering... Can an EX5R be fully controlled from a EX7?. That could be a good combo, as the real EX5 is a bit large for my setup.
Almost. I run a EX7/EX5R combo, all the MIDI (knobs, keys & controllers) goes through my router perfectly. I cannot get the scene or number bank buttons to transmit to the EX5R; there may be a setting for the bank buttons to change voices, and play (?) If my arp is running wild it won't transmit--I use the arp on the EX5R.

I have had the 7 for over twenty years now! I picked up the fiveR maybe ten years ago for a good price. I regret not getting the EX5 due to the better keys but my 7 is in perfect shape and its keys are way better than any reasonable controller these days. This has been my only synth.

You may find editing difficult in the EX5R vs. 7. You can only change elements in certain screens making you jump back and forth constantly unless you know what you are doing! (I never figured out how to copy an element) On the 7 console you can use the number bank keys for a lot. And I have my 5r down to where my back is bent when editing.

Congrats on the purchase!
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