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Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
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Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
Hey I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question in, but I'm about to get a yamaha s90es and am also looking for a pair of speakers for it. I've heard good things about the hs5's and have been looking into getting a pair of those, however, if anyone has any better suggestions I'd be open to hear them!
Anyways I was wondering if the hs5's could plug directly into the keyboard itself or if I'd need to get some sort of mixer for them to go through first. I'm new to this whole thing, so I'm still just trying to figure everything out. Any help, advice, or suggestions is appreciated!
Anyways I was wondering if the hs5's could plug directly into the keyboard itself or if I'd need to get some sort of mixer for them to go through first. I'm new to this whole thing, so I'm still just trying to figure everything out. Any help, advice, or suggestions is appreciated!
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Re: Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
Hi. I do not use these myself, but on a quick look at the specs, then the answer should be Yes as they are powered monitors, so no need for an external power amp. From the size, you might not get much low end out of them, but hard to say and feedback from users of them would be useful, or check for online reviews.
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Re: Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
If it says 'powered' it should be able to be directly connected, yup. What are you looking for in a speaker's sound? What kind of music will you be playing?
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Re: Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
Thank you guys for the help!
And I’m just looking to play my piano through them. Any genre really. The S90ES has a great piano voice and I’m really kinda looking for speakers that’ll present that. I’ve heard that sometimes speakers have problems with the low end from a piano. I’ll look more into it after Derek pointed out that maybe they won’t be so good for that. Do you guys have any suggestions on better speakers?
And I’m just looking to play my piano through them. Any genre really. The S90ES has a great piano voice and I’m really kinda looking for speakers that’ll present that. I’ve heard that sometimes speakers have problems with the low end from a piano. I’ll look more into it after Derek pointed out that maybe they won’t be so good for that. Do you guys have any suggestions on better speakers?
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What speaker you use is significantly a matter of personal taste in the sound. I know I've gone through a few and returned ones that have had great reviews. That said it's not like you can't give any advice over the Internet.
I wonder if Saul isn't writing an article on the subject at this moment?
When I talk to piano players they all have their particular favorites. They really like their studio monitors. Purists I guess. I haven't tried those Yamaha powered monitors you mentioned.
You have two general routes -- powered studio monitors, or speakers that require a separate amp. What amp you get can significantly effect the dynamics of the sound you get out of those speakers too. Studio monitors aim at getting a flat frequency response, which reproduces whatever sound you have as close to its actual recorded sound as possible. People mixing music like these a lot.. Consumer speakers aim to have the best sound as possible, and take more liberties with the frequency response, often having sweet spots, or suiting particular music genres.
So you think, well I want the pure exact sound so get the studio monitors right? Maybe not. The people who master the tracks or sounds, normally aren't aiming for their buddies in the studio to listen to them on studio monitors, that's not the audience they're thinking of -- they're aiming for the consumers out there with their consumer speakers to listen to those sounds on their sweet speakers and enjoy them on them. And on the tinny little radio. And on the iphones. And on rotten economy speakers. And on loudspeakers. And so on. It's a pain in the ear. Well anyway, so tradeoffs are made and the final result is a music product made to sound as best as it can on everything, which in practice means, it's at its best on nothing. Such is life.
So really you might want studio monitors with as transparent a frequency response as possible or you might want speakers that sound better and aren't so transparent. Anyway.. as long as you get one pair of speakers and are happy with them you won't suffer speaker envy and gear acquisition later in life and start going through pairs of speakers after speakers, like some people who have nothing better to do with their lives.
Personally I have a pair of Sennheiser HD600 headphones with are reknown for their flat response, I use these to see if I'm missing something on my JBL Arena tower speakers, which have a nice vibrating bass that can shake the floor when I play the tuba on the keyboard. I appreciate that sometimes. I don't live in an apartment.
Don't get speakers that are too small, if they're smaller than a decent size they never can sound good. Medium size is good, but you won't feel much vibrato from the tuba. Still this is a nice start. Tower speakers, you'll feel the tuba. I recommend tower speakers over a subwoofer, those are just annoying.
I have some JBL Arena tower speakers as I said, they're supposed to be for rock music but I listen to classical, so life is strange. Most people prefer studio monitors though. You'll probably get completely different recommendations from everyone else in the world.
If you have a big budget and a lot of space you might try some Magnepans and a great amp. I've always been curious about those.
And if you can try before you buy that is really the best way to buy speakers. Bring a USB stick with your favorite music to a demo floor and critically listen. Another pair of my favorite speakers are some JBL Loft 30's. No bass to speak of, the treble is muted too, but you can listen to them forever because they aren't harsh at all, no listener fatigue like you'd get with other speakers. I can't recommend them for critical listening, but for relaxing to piano and classical music for hours throughout the day they're great.
I wonder if Saul isn't writing an article on the subject at this moment?
When I talk to piano players they all have their particular favorites. They really like their studio monitors. Purists I guess. I haven't tried those Yamaha powered monitors you mentioned.
You have two general routes -- powered studio monitors, or speakers that require a separate amp. What amp you get can significantly effect the dynamics of the sound you get out of those speakers too. Studio monitors aim at getting a flat frequency response, which reproduces whatever sound you have as close to its actual recorded sound as possible. People mixing music like these a lot.. Consumer speakers aim to have the best sound as possible, and take more liberties with the frequency response, often having sweet spots, or suiting particular music genres.
So you think, well I want the pure exact sound so get the studio monitors right? Maybe not. The people who master the tracks or sounds, normally aren't aiming for their buddies in the studio to listen to them on studio monitors, that's not the audience they're thinking of -- they're aiming for the consumers out there with their consumer speakers to listen to those sounds on their sweet speakers and enjoy them on them. And on the tinny little radio. And on the iphones. And on rotten economy speakers. And on loudspeakers. And so on. It's a pain in the ear. Well anyway, so tradeoffs are made and the final result is a music product made to sound as best as it can on everything, which in practice means, it's at its best on nothing. Such is life.
So really you might want studio monitors with as transparent a frequency response as possible or you might want speakers that sound better and aren't so transparent. Anyway.. as long as you get one pair of speakers and are happy with them you won't suffer speaker envy and gear acquisition later in life and start going through pairs of speakers after speakers, like some people who have nothing better to do with their lives.
Personally I have a pair of Sennheiser HD600 headphones with are reknown for their flat response, I use these to see if I'm missing something on my JBL Arena tower speakers, which have a nice vibrating bass that can shake the floor when I play the tuba on the keyboard. I appreciate that sometimes. I don't live in an apartment.
Don't get speakers that are too small, if they're smaller than a decent size they never can sound good. Medium size is good, but you won't feel much vibrato from the tuba. Still this is a nice start. Tower speakers, you'll feel the tuba. I recommend tower speakers over a subwoofer, those are just annoying.
I have some JBL Arena tower speakers as I said, they're supposed to be for rock music but I listen to classical, so life is strange. Most people prefer studio monitors though. You'll probably get completely different recommendations from everyone else in the world.
If you have a big budget and a lot of space you might try some Magnepans and a great amp. I've always been curious about those.
And if you can try before you buy that is really the best way to buy speakers. Bring a USB stick with your favorite music to a demo floor and critically listen. Another pair of my favorite speakers are some JBL Loft 30's. No bass to speak of, the treble is muted too, but you can listen to them forever because they aren't harsh at all, no listener fatigue like you'd get with other speakers. I can't recommend them for critical listening, but for relaxing to piano and classical music for hours throughout the day they're great.
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Re: Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
Some very sound advice there from puremusic
I have not had time to go into this in-depth as I have been doing videos and catching up on other stuff but really what it comes down to is a choice between powered monitors meant for mixing or multi-media speakers designed to enhance what you are listening to.
So you need to nail that bit first before deciding on the right speakers.
Will you use your speakers for both listening to other music and also need to take on mixing duties or will they be dedicated to just the S90ES?
The HS5's are fine by the way but I would say too small for the S90ES. Also they will have a very flat response...intentional of course because they are designed for mixing music not general listening.
I have not had time to go into this in-depth as I have been doing videos and catching up on other stuff but really what it comes down to is a choice between powered monitors meant for mixing or multi-media speakers designed to enhance what you are listening to.
So you need to nail that bit first before deciding on the right speakers.
Will you use your speakers for both listening to other music and also need to take on mixing duties or will they be dedicated to just the S90ES?
The HS5's are fine by the way but I would say too small for the S90ES. Also they will have a very flat response...intentional of course because they are designed for mixing music not general listening.
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Re: Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
I’m definitely looking to record at some point so the studio monitors would come in handy. But I’m not sure how long it’ll take to get to that point. Should I get something else in the meantime? And if so what?
Also would the hs7s or hs8s be big enough for the board do you think?
Also would the hs7s or hs8s be big enough for the board do you think?
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Re: Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
The HS7's and HS8's would be fine but don't forget to also look at the alternatives. This may be a 'Yamaha' focused website but the most important thing is you get the sound you want no matter what the branding is.sp00ky_josh wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:35 am I’m definitely looking to record at some point so the studio monitors would come in handy. But I’m not sure how long it’ll take to get to that point. Should I get something else in the meantime? And if so what?
Also would the hs7s or hs8s be big enough for the board do you think?
So I would also look at the:
Adam T7V
Focal Alpha 65
Presonus Eris 8
JBL 308P MkII
My own preference from those would be the Adam T7V or JBL 308P MKII
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Re: Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
It all depends on your expectations. The lowest note on an 88-key piano has a fundamental frequency of 27.5Hz. The lowest octave falls between that frequency and 55Hz. The HS5 likely isn't going to cover that range to your satisfaction, and even the HS8 has response of "only" 38Hz~30kHz (-10dB). Fully covering a piano's bottom octave flat is a bit of a challenge - the question is how important that is to you. You might find that a pair of HS5's and a subwoofer would be satisfactory, but only you can determine that.sp00ky_josh wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:35 am I’m definitely looking to record at some point so the studio monitors would come in handy. But I’m not sure how long it’ll take to get to that point. Should I get something else in the meantime? And if so what?
Also would the hs7s or hs8s be big enough for the board do you think?
Another consideration is your listening room. The HS series are near-field monitors, and proper placement is important. The HS8 is considerably larger than the HS5 - I'd suggest looking at dimensions to see if size might impact your decision.
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Re: Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
Thank you guys so much! I appreciate all the advice and it has definitely prompted me to do some more research.
I was wondering though, if I weren't to go for the flat frequency response of the monitors, what speakers would you guys recommend or think would pair well with the s90es?
I was wondering though, if I weren't to go for the flat frequency response of the monitors, what speakers would you guys recommend or think would pair well with the s90es?
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Problem with us recommending speakers is it is all so subjective. In much the same way as one person might like the sound of KORG or Yamaha pianos and another may completely dislike them. You cannot say one is definitively better or worse than another because it is purely down to personal preference.
Likewise I could recommend a set of speakers that I think sound great but to your ears, and in your particular surroundings may not sound so great.
This is why we often present a number of options just to help narrow things down a little and give you something to check out yourself...not on YouTube I should add because what you hear will be coloured by compression on YouTube as well as the equipment you are listening to the videos on.
What YamahaUser said about frequency range is correct however it is not all about frequency, there are other variables involved and even where a manufacturer quotes a low frequency of say 38Hz that will be under ideal conditions. Whether you will benefit from that depends greatly on the environment the speakers are placed in and the quality of the speakers themselves. Some may go low in the spec but that is not a lot of use to you if that "low" is muddy and loses definition.
My own personal preference is still the Adam T7V and I think these would work well for your S90ES, general listening and some fairly good quality mixing...always check mixes on a decent pair of headphones though!
Likewise I could recommend a set of speakers that I think sound great but to your ears, and in your particular surroundings may not sound so great.
This is why we often present a number of options just to help narrow things down a little and give you something to check out yourself...not on YouTube I should add because what you hear will be coloured by compression on YouTube as well as the equipment you are listening to the videos on.
What YamahaUser said about frequency range is correct however it is not all about frequency, there are other variables involved and even where a manufacturer quotes a low frequency of say 38Hz that will be under ideal conditions. Whether you will benefit from that depends greatly on the environment the speakers are placed in and the quality of the speakers themselves. Some may go low in the spec but that is not a lot of use to you if that "low" is muddy and loses definition.
My own personal preference is still the Adam T7V and I think these would work well for your S90ES, general listening and some fairly good quality mixing...always check mixes on a decent pair of headphones though!
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Re: Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
I didn't mean to imply that frequency response should be the only consideration in choosing speakers, nor that Yamaha should be the only brand to consider. I don't use Yamaha speakers myself, although I'm not going to mention what I use, since I don't want that to be taken as an endorsement, either. By all means, it's a personal choice.
I previously noted that the HS models are near-field monitors. If they (or any other speaker) are placed at the intersection of walls (corners at floor or ceiling level in particular), the bass response will be increased, but typically at the expense of a "boomy", "muddy" bottom end. By the way, the 38Hz spec for the HS8 is at 10dB down with respect to the midrange level. That doesn't mean the HS8 would be unacceptable for piano reproduction - as I said before, "It all depends on your expectations".
I previously noted that the HS models are near-field monitors. If they (or any other speaker) are placed at the intersection of walls (corners at floor or ceiling level in particular), the bass response will be increased, but typically at the expense of a "boomy", "muddy" bottom end. By the way, the 38Hz spec for the HS8 is at 10dB down with respect to the midrange level. That doesn't mean the HS8 would be unacceptable for piano reproduction - as I said before, "It all depends on your expectations".
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Re: Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
Thanks Barry. That's another thing to consider. Placement of speakers can have a huge impact on performance. Actually that puts me in mind of when I had the HS7's. I also had a pair of KRK's at the time and they sounded better, not because there was anything wrong with the HS7's but simply because they were better suited to the room.
I am using a pair of Presonus Eris 4.5's right now and sure they are budget speakers...more "multimedia" than reference I would say but they do a great job for what I need. I have just been playing piano through them using the REVO1 wireless midi controller and Pianoteq software and they sounded great. Definitely to to get some Adam's though
I am using a pair of Presonus Eris 4.5's right now and sure they are budget speakers...more "multimedia" than reference I would say but they do a great job for what I need. I have just been playing piano through them using the REVO1 wireless midi controller and Pianoteq software and they sounded great. Definitely to to get some Adam's though
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Re: Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
I'd forgotten about those lowest hertz. I remember when I shopped tower speakers I looked around, saw nothing hit them, and gave up.
The only thing I can find in studio monitors that covers everything (in the specs) from high frequency down to 27.5Hz is the ADAM Audio S5V... S5V sure is different than T7V...
The only thing I can find in studio monitors that covers everything (in the specs) from high frequency down to 27.5Hz is the ADAM Audio S5V... S5V sure is different than T7V...
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Re: Can I Plug Yamaha hs5's into my keyboard?
Properly reproducing low frequencies requires moving a lot of air. Speakers can do that either if they have a sufficient surface area (large diameter cone or multiple drivers) or long voice coil excursion (cone can move in/out a substantial distance). The problem is that the longer the excursion, the more likely the movement will be non-linear - that is, more distortion will be introduced. So while it's possible for a relatively "small" diameter speaker with long excursion to get down to low frequencies, it's likely that a speaker with a bigger cone will do so more cleanly.
Unfortunately, the best studio monitors can be ten times the cost of average ones. Sometimes you just have to compromise. :)
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