TG77 DataBlade and Microtonality

Yamaha SY77 is a 16 voice multitimbral music workstation first produced by Yamaha Corporation in 1989. The SY77 is a synthesizer whose architecture combines AFM (Advanced Frequency Modulation) synthesis, AWM2 (Advanced Wave Memory 2) for ROM-borne sample-based synthesis, and the combination of these two methods christened Realtime Convolution and Modulation Synthesis (RCM).

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TG77 DataBlade and Microtonality

Unread post by EricaEsoMusic » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:34 am

Hello everyone, I am a microtonal composer and very inspired by the TG77. Without expanded data memory, the TG77 only lets you customize 2 microtonal scales, or "Internal micro tuning memory" according to the manual (page 106-107). I understand that a MCD64 data card will allow me additional Internal micro tuning data, but it's unclear to me exactly how many new scales.

I am also considering purchasing the Sector 101 DataBlade which seems to have the memory of 32 MCD64s combined and am wondering how many customized microtonal scales that would allow me to create.

Thank you very much for any insights.
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Re: TG77 MCD cards and microtonality

Unread post by Sonus » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:00 am

Hi Weston, two user scales per voice set, 64 on a Datablade32.

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TG77 DataBlade and Microtonality

Unread post by EricaEsoMusic » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:41 pm

OK so I now have a DataBlade with 32 partitions of memory. This allows me a total of 64 custom micro tunings.

According to the manual, an internal voice can't use a micro tuning on a card and a voice on a card can't use an internal micro tuning. So what I thought I'd be doing was:

1) custom edit a micro scale on the internal memory and then
2) transfer to a partition on the datablade.

Problem: When going to "Micro Tuning Set" (Jump #221) and then pressing Copy, the "Source Tuning" allows me to select all available micro tunings (Internal, Card and Preset) but then the "Destination" only allows me to select the Internal Tunings, NOT card.

So Question #1 How do I get a single custom micro tuning from internal memory onto DataBlade?

Furthermore...

Ideally the organization that I'd like to have is: each partition will have 2 custom micro tunings along with ONLY specific Voices (patches) that will use those specific tuning. So for instance Partition 1 has custom micro tuning A and B and only the select number of patches I'm interested in having play those scales.

What I would like to avoid is dumping my entire Internal Voice/Multi to the partition, that'll just be sloppy.

Question #2: Is there a way I can save a single voice from internal memory onto a DataBlade partition?

Under Card Utility (Jump #813) my only option is to save ALL Data onto card.

Question #3, with my specific needs- could Sysex messages be the only answer? I see in the "MIDI Data Format" Booklet there are options like 3.1.13 (pg4) "Micro Tuning Data Change" 4.5 (pg 6) "Micro Tuning Data Bulk Dump" and "Table 6" (pg 15) Micro Tuning Bulk Dump" ...but not sure exactly how to implement.

Thanks to anyone who could help me out with this. I really appreciate this forum.

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Re: TG77 DataBlade and Microtonality

Unread post by Sonus » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:20 pm

Question #1: How do I get a single custom micro tuning from internal memory onto DataBlade?
... You can only save internal memory with two micro tunings to card in utility mode.

Question #2: Is there a way I can save a single voice from internal memory onto a DataBlade partition?
... Select a voice, press copy, select memory card, select bank A~D, select 01~16, Go, Completed!

Question #3: With my specific needs could sysex messages be the only answer?
... Micro tuning bulk dump is processed as internal, regardless of memory type.

I-1: memory type 00, memory number 00
F0 43 00 7A 02 24 4C 4D 20 20 38 31 30 31 4D 54 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

I-2: memory type 00, memory number 01
F0 43 00 7A 02 24 4C 4D 20 20 38 31 30 31 4D 54 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01

Midi Data Format <Table 6> LM__8101MT
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Re: TG77 DataBlade and Microtonality

Unread post by EricaEsoMusic » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:32 pm

Hi Sonus (or anyone else that could help), I'm digging back into this and my question is basically distilled to this: How do I get a customizes tuning from the Internal memory to the Card memory?

When the DataBlade is inserted I see that there are micro tuning options "C-1" and "C-2" but how am I supposed to edit/customize them? I need to find a way to edit a micro scale on the internal memory and then saving that tuning onto the card memory.

Thanks!
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