Do you compose? How? "Where"?

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Do you compose? How? "Where"?

Unread post by marcos.zy » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:49 pm

Hey guys, sorry if this is not the appropriate section of the forum for this thread. If so, please change it to the appropriate place.

So, do you compose? If so, what software do you use, or do you use "pen and paper" (music notebooks)?

I used to do some compositions in Guitar Pro, using its piano roll, notation system, etc. But it was a long time ago. And you? What are your experiences?
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Unread post by Derek » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:40 pm

Hi,

Possibly the chill out room may be a better place, but you could also say the arranger forum is a good place as well. We are quite relaxed on things like this. :)

So how do I compose? Sitting in front of my keyboards or with guitar strapped on, noodling until I get ideas that I like, which i quickly record into Cubase before I forget them. Obviously just audio for guitar, but MIDI for keys. Often for me a specific sound or chord sequence is what gets me being creative.

With keyboards I do not bother notating, as I can only read dots veeeerrrryyyy sloooooowwwwllllly, so as long as I can see the piano roll in Cubase along with the Chord track which I populate, then that is fine for when I need to look at what I played (e.g. if going back for learning it for live play).

With Guitar, I use Guitar Pro to build a tab before I forget what I did!
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Re: Do you compose? How? "Where"?

Unread post by Saul » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:23 pm

As Derek said, we are not strict on where things go and someone can always move a post if it is obviously the wrong section :)

However I know you are working with the PSR E-463 at the moment so this is as good a place as any to ask your question.

I am not sure I actually compose anything in the strict sense of that word. I improvise on the guitar and normally remember what it is I have played. So if I want to play it again I can usually get there...with a few variations but that is the way I like it :)

I can also pretty much remember what I played on the keyboard although if you asked me to note it down I wouldn't know where to start. I can't read music so I play by ear. It is fine for my use (Y)
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Re: Do you compose? How? "Where"?

Unread post by marcos.zy » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:22 pm

Hey guys,

Thank you very much for your kindness. :)

So, Derek, do you connect Cubase with your keyboard? I had some compositions on Guitar Pro, but I don't use it anymore. Now I'll try to use FL-Studio together with my keyboard.

So, Saul, so you're guitar player. Great to know! I love guitar, also, despite I don't know how to play it.

I would like to mention that I just discovered the opensource Musescore, and I'm loving it. It also allow us to use a piano roll, and I think that can be used together with a keyboard. Let's see. I'll try that.
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Re: Do you compose? How? "Where"?

Unread post by Rara » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:14 pm

marcos.zy wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:49 pm
Hey guys, sorry if this is not the appropriate section of the forum for this thread. If so, please change it to the appropriate place.

So, do you compose? If so, what software do you use, or do you use "pen and paper" (music notebooks)?

I used to do some compositions in Guitar Pro, using its piano roll, notation system, etc. But it was a long time ago. And you? What are your experiences?
Much like everyone else, I'll sit in front of a keyboard, plod away at something or tweak a sound until
the light bulb moment. Often when coming up with ideas, I'm still using a pen and paper.
I found writing it down while the idea is fresh is the only way to remember it most of the time.
If not that, there is always a trusty tape deck with in easy reach to hit record.
It is quite a lot quicker and easier rather than stuffing around with a PC and fumble around
with the mouse/software in the heat of the moment
Once I have a good idea of where I'm going with a song then I'll use a PC sequencer to put it all together
then print out a conductors score, (Back to paper again)

I am old school I know :lol: I found through my experience, computers are far to unreliable.
I lost quite a dramatic song once due to a hard drive malfunction (one of many actually), i did however have an audio
recording on tape, not entirely lost, many times analogue has outlasted digital :-P

Rara 0-)
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Unread post by Derek » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:46 pm

I'm sure not I would call that old school. :)

I would call it whatever works best for each of us :)

As I "don't read dots", investing in the time to do a score would be pointless for me. :) So it is chords and piano roll in Cubase (and often masses of scribblings of interesting chords and sounds on bits of paper!

Marcos, yes, all of my keyboards connect via MIDI into my PC (I have a MIDI SPORT 128, which is an 8 way MIDI interface). So I can record any of them when I need to, or I can just use my Yamaha SY99 and AN1x (which are in front of my PCs screens (PC keyboard and mouse below them) to drive any MIDI equipment I have via routings either in Cubase (my recording software) or Cantabile (my live host software). Or I can use the keyboards to drive any of the plethora of virtual instruments that I have (e.g. classic emulations of all of the important classic keyboards - or at least the ones important to me!)
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Re: Do you compose? How? "Where"?

Unread post by SeaGtGruff » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:00 pm

I don't "compose" per se, but occasionally I'll get a little riff in my head that I want to get down on paper-- not knowing whether it's "my" creation or just something catchy from the radio or TV or a movie that I can't remember the source of-- so I'll use one or more simple notation programs to write it down. One of my favorites is NCH Crescendo, which has a free version and is very easy to use. But I'm also a paid owner of FORTE Notation, and have a few other free versions of other notation programs.

No matter what notation program I use to jot down my musical ideas (or subconscious plagiarisms), I generally need to sound out the notes on a keyboard first. If I'm not near one of my physical keyboards, I'll use a virtual keyboard such as VMPK (Virtual MIDI Piano Keyboard) to pick out the notes by ear.
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Re: Do you compose? How? "Where"?

Unread post by marcos.zy » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:26 pm

Very interesting to know about your experiences, guys. I myself also have to have a keyboard in order to put my ideas in place. But I'm not very old school...hehehe I was trying to use a notebook, but, well, Musescore is wonderful.

I'm trying now to connect my Yamaha to my PC, but the difficulties are great, due to space and position of furniture. Let's see. :)

Great to know about all the softwwares you use, also.
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Unread post by SeaGtGruff » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:36 am

I rearranged my bedroom a year and a half ago so I could put my keyboards next to my computer. It was hard, because my desk is an old heavy wooden desk that used to be my grandfather's (from back when furniture was real furniture, made out of wood that was real wood). It was murder to move that desk, even with all of the drawers pulled out of it, but fortunately I didn't need to move it very far.
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Unread post by puremusic » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:01 am

Basically my computer desk is my keyboard desk now, and the actual keyboard for typing either sits on my lap or on top of one of the piano keyboards.

Real wood is the way to go. That particle board stuff.. a little moisture always ruins it sooner or later.
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Re: Do you compose? How? "Where"?

Unread post by marcos.zy » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:37 pm

I need to rearrange my room urgently. The keyboard is on the opposite side of the PC, which would force me to use a super long USB cable in order to connect both. And that could cause interference, as you have said, guys.

My desk it not so large, also, so I think I can do something different here.
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Re: Do you compose? How? "Where"?

Unread post by shelly0624 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:06 pm

Is there any free or low-priced interactive app, software, or download that will show me the chord names when I play a song by ear? (Something you could print out would be even better). I've printed out a list of chords but it's hard to comb through them all if I want to know what I'm playing. It helps to learn by playing songs at this point, preferably ones I already wrote. I'll be learning scales, obviously, but I need a little inspiration.
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Unread post by shelly0624 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:23 pm

I guess it wouldn't have to be interactive.. just a chord finder that will tell me what they are when I hit certain keys.
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Unread post by Derek » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:34 pm

Hi, I'm in a rush right now (need to get back to practise!) but if you google "MIDI chord analyser" you get plenty of hits.
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Re: Do you compose? How? "Where"?

Unread post by parametric » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:36 pm

Maybe this helps Shel?








Certainly interactive . . . . check the speed those chords ZOOM by . . . . :o

It's not free ($25), but perhaps it suits your purpose? It is guitar oriented too which you'll probably like . . .

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