MODX versus Roland Fantom?

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MODX versus Roland Fantom?

Unread post by mitya » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:32 pm

Yes, yes, I know these two are hugely different machines with different focuses.

Yet of courses there's elements of crossover.

The Fantom looks stunning - in fact more a rival to the Kronos than the Montage/MODX, really - but at 3 times the price of my MODX8 almost, I'm hardly feeling bad about the situation.

The guy in PMT Nottingham said it was a rival to the Montage. Yet given Yamaha basically killed the Montage with their own MODX, that hardly seems correct.

Anyone else's thoughts?
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Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

Unread post by Saul » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:07 pm

Well on price of course it seems aimed at the very top end of the market which the MODX is not. The Fantom is a flagship product so really it can be compared to the Montage and Kronos.

When comparing features and what you get for your money it could be argued MODX is a better "value" buy. It depends on what you need in a keyboard and what your uses are?
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Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

Unread post by ZT Scheer » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:45 pm

The comparison to the MODX is less direct than to the Montage ... as noted.

My Fantom7 arrives tomorrow, and I'll be able to compare sound quality and features to my MODX7. I'll be happy to post my observations and answer any questions posted in this thread. Let's just not make this a "bashing" thread for either instrument or company.
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Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

Unread post by Saul » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:52 pm

Definitely agree this should not turn into a bashing one instrument or the other. They are both superb in their own way and it will come down to preferences on the way people work and whether they prefer the Roland or Yamaha sounds.

Very much looking forward to hearing your thoughts ZT (Y)
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Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

Unread post by MinorKey » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:56 pm

Hello, long time no write, so time to fix... :-)
I don't think that Yamaha killed the Montage with the MoDX, as those who can afford it will still go with the Montage, but it's true that they blurred the line between the mid and top range quite a bit. Of course, this is great for the customer, who basically does not have anything to complain in regards to the MoDX, which is very rare nowadays.

Rather than shelling out money on the new Fantom, it may be worth it to wait what Roland will do next. Off course, it's not known when, but at some point they will have to come out with the successor to their mid-range FA which has been out for quite a while. Should the trade-offs be similarly small than those in the case of the Montage and MoDX, we may be in for a treat. On the other hand, Roland are not too consistent in this regard and it's possible that their next mid-range machine won't have much in common with the Fantom.
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Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

Unread post by Ivan Jochner » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:46 pm

Strong points against MONTAGE:
1.Pads for calling up samples and modes.
(Number of time when i hit wrong key for sample playback or memorizing which sample to which key is assigned).
2.Joystick + Wheels.
(Some instruments are nightmare to controll just with wheels & joystick , Yes!)
3. Click Out for a drummer ( Which was a Roland thing from day one).
4. Less flex and better construction from previous Fantom models.(According to some youtube promotional videos).
5. Piano modelling - Virtual Piano.
6.Separate Synth section with dedicated panel.
7.Sequencer & Pattern modes.
Recorded patterns can be triggered by Pads, to avoid loading Wav samples stored on usb drive (?) - my big guess like on Roland Fa ?
8.Reworked keyboard /keybed feel.

Weak points:
1.Acoustic /Supernatural sounds.
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Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

Unread post by Patrick » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:36 am

I think the new FANTOM is ROLANDS best workstation yet.
Although I will always prefer the sound of YAMAHA to anything else, the FANTOM is pretty awesome.
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Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

Unread post by GregC » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:46 am

Patrick wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:36 am
I think the new FANTOM is ROLANDS best workstation yet.
Although I will always prefer the sound of YAMAHA to anything else, the FANTOM is pretty awesome.
I really like both keyboards, MODX and Fantom.

It would be a lot easier if Patrick could let me borrow his MODX for a few months
to help me decide which one.. or both ! ;). j/k
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Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

Unread post by Patrick » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:59 am

GregC wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:46 am
Patrick wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:36 am
I think the new FANTOM is ROLANDS best workstation yet.
Although I will always prefer the sound of YAMAHA to anything else, the FANTOM is pretty awesome.
I really like both keyboards, MODX and Fantom.

It would be a lot easier if Patrick could let me borrow his MODX for a few months
to help me decide which one.. or both ! ;). j/k

I wish you lived in INDIANA, or i lived in CALIFORNIA.
Then we could jam out together on our synths my brother from another mother.

If i had more room and wasnt such a minimalist, i would have my MODX, new FANTOM, and KRONOS.
Oh and that new HYDRASYNTH.
But i can only have one,
so i guess it be MODX.
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Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

Unread post by sneak-thief » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:12 am

AFAIK the Fantom doesn't allow user multi-samples, Supernatural Acoustic and SRX sounds are now gone and patch changing doesn't work smoothly compared to Yamaha's SSS.
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Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

Unread post by Ivan Jochner » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:31 am

sneak-thief wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:12 am
AFAIK the Fantom doesn't allow user multi-samples, Supernatural Acoustic and SRX sounds are now gone and patch changing doesn't work smoothly compared to Yamaha's SSS.
Yep, just have heard that samples can be triggered by pads but not loaded into keyboard for playing.
Thats a huge disadvantage of such Roland product.
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Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

Unread post by Saul » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:44 am

Ivan Jochner wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:31 am
sneak-thief wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:12 am
AFAIK the Fantom doesn't allow user multi-samples, Supernatural Acoustic and SRX sounds are now gone and patch changing doesn't work smoothly compared to Yamaha's SSS.
Yep, just have heard that samples can be triggered by pads but not loaded into keyboard for playing.
Thats a huge disadvantage of such Roland product.
That's completely crazy at this price point! I would expect to be able to use the samples on the keys and/or pads. I wonder what the reasoning behind this restriction was :think:
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Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

Unread post by ZT Scheer » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:36 pm

sneak-thief wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:12 am
AFAIK the Fantom doesn't allow user multi-samples, Supernatural Acoustic and SRX sounds are now gone and patch changing doesn't work smoothly compared to Yamaha's SSS.
Many updates and upgrades are planned.

The following are confirmed as in-the-works:
    • A V-EP engine.
    • SuperNatural Acoustic engines
    • User multi-sampling.
    • OS updates to enable flexible use of the 3 USB "device" ports.
    There's a noted bug with scene changes, in some cases where the V-Piano is part of a Scene. That's being worked on. Otherwise, it's completely smooth.
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    Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

    Unread post by Ivan Jochner » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:05 pm

    From other users :

    "It's confirmed that in a soon OS update we'll have the multisampling feature to explore its 2 gb flash memory alongside the sample pads."
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    Re: MODX versus Roland Fantom?

    Unread post by vertig0spin » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:40 pm

    Saul wrote:
    Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:07 pm
    Well on price of course it seems aimed at the very top end of the market which the MODX is not. The Fantom is a flagship product so really it can be compared to the Montage and Kronos.
    When comparing features and what you get for your money it could be argued MODX is a better "value" buy. It depends on what you need in a keyboard and what your uses are?
    Which begs the question, will Roland do what Yamaha did with the MODX, and develop/sell a new synth in a year or 2 from now, that is based off their new flagship Fantom, but at half the price/weight/etc., to compete with the MODX?
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