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Hej all!
As I have a few questions I'll keep it short and ask first: Anyone have experience with/currently using Behringer budget Mixers?
Looking for recommendations for a sub-100€ Mixer with faders, channel EQ and USB.
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Hi SM . .

I pretty sure Saul uses one of the budget Behringer Mixers - and is happy with it . . . .

IIRC - That video of me playing the CP-88 at Yamaha used it to record the Audio . . .

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Im exhausted from all the online research - reading a lot of negatives about the Behringers.
I actually found a Soundcraft (https://www.soundcraft.com/en/products/notepad-12fx), one and thought its perfect - I was ready to buy then discovered it requires a software download in order to adjust set routings for the USB interface...and that would require me to buy a new Macbook so I can run the latest OS to run that software!
So..back to the effing research... :roll:

Seems there are variations on such budget mixers that have just stuffed on a USB port...reading some are not bi-directional, some have atrocious S2N ratio and outputs, and a lot of budget mixers are only 16-bit. Wow its 1999 again :D

Any thoughts on these in comparison to Behringers?
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As Chris mentioned I do indeed use a Behringer mixer. It is the QX1202USB and for the money it does a good job. The main negative is the Phones/CTRL Room volume control which doesn't fully shut off at zero. And the effects, particularly reverb are not that impressive. I don't use them at all but some people might want to and I would say forget it and use either outboard effects or those in a DAW.

For the money though the Behringer is fine and I still use it every day.
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A lot of the cheaper mixers will have negative reviews but you have to consider your own use scenario not someone else's. Also balance up how many negative reviews you see with the number of units that would have been sold. If Behringer sell say, 10,000 of a particular unit and you see 5 or even 10 negative reviews online that is a very small percentage to base a buying decision on. And you will see negative reviews for just about anything if you look long enough.

I would also look at the Yamaha AG06 as that is excellent quality although of course it may not have all the inputs you need.
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Thanks for that valued input Saul.
I do indeed read reviews with caution (esp Amazon ones :D) and as a guideline.
In the past Ive had Soundcraft and Fostex both of which were fine for me. Its a pity the Soundcraft budget options now require a newer Mac OSX than my Mac will run so that has killed that and I am also bound my size - Just 32cms (W) left on my desk to squeeeze something in.
Ive narrowed it to the Alesis MM8, but it hasnt the faders I wanted so I could end up going back and reconsidering the ones I dismissed with pots lol - *circles of uncertainty* :D

I really want a 6-8channel desk with: 1-2MIC input, faders, channel-EQ, a decent VU meter, (The behringers go from -20 then 0, not v accurate metering) :? USB (bi-directional) and ideally with 24-bit not 16-bit. Maybe I am asking too much for 150€ ???
FX not really needed but yes to FX sends so I could use them as inputs if I acquired another synth.

Regards the Yamaha, its just a bit over my budget by 50€, otherwise that'd fit and I have almost all Yamaha gear down the years.

This is perfect if it had a USB https://www.thomann.de/intl/behringer_xenyx_1002_b.htm
I know I could then grab a USB-audio interface for around 50€ but isnt it good practice to not add lots of in/outs to the signal path?
Or is this poppycock?

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squishmusic wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:08 pm
This is perfect if it had a USB https://www.thomann.de/intl/behringer_xenyx_1002_b.htm
I know I could then grab a USB-audio interface for around 50€ but isnt it good practice to not add lots of in/outs to the signal path?
Or is this poppycock?

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I think you are right about keeping the signal path as uncluttered as possible. I only have the mixer between the inputs and my computer. I am in the same situation as you regarding Mac OS updates by the way. I am maxed out at 'High Sierra'.

The Behringer Xenyx 1002B is an interesting little mixer but like you say, no USB. I went with the QX1202 because I wanted to use it as my audio interface for everything so definitely needed the USB.

One thing I noticed when I was researching mixers is that many of the ones at this end of the market use the same components and sometimes the same chassis too. Many if not all come from the same factories in China.

Have you looked at Thomann's own brand the T.Mix series? Looks to have a lot of features for the money.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/the_t.mix_xmi ... fx_usb.htm


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Saul wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:37 pm
Have you looked at Thomann's own brand the T.Mix series? Looks to have a lot of features for the money.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/the_t.mix_xmi ... fx_usb.htm
I am sadly maxed out at 10.7 (on my music Mac) and 10.8 on my day-to-day Mac. I refuse to buy a 3rd bleeding laptop! :D

I hadnt seen the Thomann line at all. Have never tried any of their brand stuff, but as you say, they could well be similar internals to other branded mixers. I like the Alesis one at the moment, but as I type...a s/hand Allen&Heath has popped up locally for 100€ with all my requirements! So...lets see if I grab it first!

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Im back with the mixer condundrum :D
I ended up finding a s/hand Allen&Heath ZED10 for 100€ - Those are nice mixers and a bargain.
However I soon found out not enough inputs...One stereo channel is sacrificed to bring in Ext FX and the other for USB return.
So I need a new mixer.

@Saul I did now consider the T-mix ones. https://www.thomann.de/gb/the_t.mix_xmix_1402_usb.htm
or perhaps a behringer...
With Behringer are the FX 'burnt' to the USB output (i read on some mixers soundcraft they arent) so one can have a clean signal to a DAW.
In my use I just want to mix/master in the DAW 90% of the time.

So, yeah any recommendations on a analogue mixer with:
min 4 stereo channels
2 mic inputs (no more needed)
EQ on all channels
faders
2 aux/fx sends (pref stereo)
(Int FX not dealbreaker)
USB 2i:2o minimum, 24-bit
and budget...100-150€
:D


On a side note: I was in an email pingpong with A&H and they stated that the 4 mono channels cannot be used to send 2x stereo signals
from a synth if panned hard L/R....I thought this was how i always did it (but it was 12y since I had a analoguemixer setup)

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