Yamaha PSR-273 - The New PSR You Have Been Waiting For? NAMM 2020

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Yamaha PSR-273 - The New PSR You Have Been Waiting For? NAMM 2020

Unread post by Saul » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:38 am

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Well ok I must admit that title is a bit tongue in cheek. Of course this is not the new PSR we have been waiting for :lol:

I think it fair to say that many of us had hoped that Yamaha would have followed their current theme of bringing the styling and some features of their top end keyboards down to the more budget friendly end.

They have revamped the top end of the PSR line with the new PSR-SX series. Those keyboards borrow many features from the top of the line Genos and although not groundbreaking they are a nice update on what went before.

The lower end of the PSR range really needs some love but, to date all we have seen are some pretty minimal incremental updates that quite honestly have not really moved things on from where we were a decade ago.

I had high hopes when I heard that Yamaha had a new arranger keyboard to announce at this years Winter Namm. I wasn't expecting a Genos for a couple of hundred dollars..nice as that would be but, I was expecting a little more than we got.

Take the link below to read the full story along with my thoughts on whether this keyboard is worth considering.

FULL STORY HERE.
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Re: Yamaha PSR-273 - The New PSR You Have Been Waiting For? NAMM 2020

Unread post by shelly0624 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:07 am

With Yamaha, I'm seeing a trend toward student-based instruments. Personally, I don't think that streamlining features is necessary to make things easy to understand. It's important that beginners have something they can grow into and still have new territory to explore. Even if a beginner finds some features superfluous, they might find them useful later on. Nevertheless... I know that some consumers will actually lean toward something that will be easy for them to approach..a first-exposure keyboard, so to speak, and they have no interest in anything extra. (Hopefully the price will reflect that). There are still arranging features on it, so there is that, at least, but part of learning is expressive playing. Not sure why it's not touch-sensitive. If I get my hands on one of these, I'll see what extra learning features it has compared to it's predecessor. There would have to be a significant advantage..much more in the way of piano tutorials to baby-step someone along if they are a little intimidated by a new keyboard venture.. From the description, it sounds like they put a lot of thought into that feature and have expanded on the existing onboard learning aids. If the emphasis is in learning and the PSR-273 is being offered as a teaching instrument, it will have to be something exceptional because, like Saul, I lean toward the Yamaha PSR-E363 as well ..(actually, the PSR-EW300). I'm assuming the onboard sounds (including "sweet sounds") will be the same..
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Unread post by Saul » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:27 am

I can fully understand the PSR-E273 in the context of a learning tool but what I cannot get my head around is why if you want people to learn to play properly, leave off such an important feature as touch sensitivity. That makes no sense at all to me.

Many people are also looking at value for money and the E363 is by far the better option.

I would love to be able to recommend the PSR-E273 but I find it hard to justify the cost vs benefit.

Perhaps they need to drop this model altogether and start the range with a PSR-E373 instead.
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Unread post by shelly0624 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:04 am

That would have been a good idea because the 363 is the go-to keyboard for beginners. I think it's very popular as a low-cost keyboard. A step up from that (PSR-E373) would have been a good marketing move.
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Unread post by Saul » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:53 am

I am not convinced there is a need for a PSR-E2XX series? If it means making something so basic as to not include touch response and midi over usb then I don't see it as a useful learning tool.

It's great to make a low price keyboard with a lot of features but if the most important features are not present then what is the point? Buyers will inevitably end up disappointed and it will be another keyboard destined for that dusty cupboard where redundant music gear goes to die :(

But then perhaps this has more to do with marketing than it does with producing a really useful low cost keyboard :confusion-confused:
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Unread post by Eduardo Rojas » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:25 pm

Wonder when we'll have a PSR with 6 octaves

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Unread post by SeaGtGruff » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:37 pm

The PSR-EW300, PSR-EW400, and PSR-EW410 have six octaves-- 76 keys, which is actually a little more than six octaves. :)
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Unread post by shelly0624 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:45 am

I have been looking at the PSR-EW keyboards for awhile. I get really curious about taking more time to hear the sounds (sweet sounds, specifically) and am starting to like the idea of 76 keys... I really love the AIX sound chip in my CTX-800 keyboard :D and have NO regrets, but it would be fun to go to Guitar Center and listen to the Yamaha too. I made a quickie trip there a short time ago, listened to both, and decided on the Casio, but I think extra keys would be nice for a second keyboard someday. For someone on a small budget, they are really affordable for what you get.
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Unread post by EB5AGV » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:04 pm

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Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:45 am
I have been looking at the PSR-EW keyboards for awhile. I get really curious about taking more time to hear the sounds (sweet sounds, specifically) and am starting to like the idea of 76 keys... I really love the AIX sound chip in my CTX-800 keyboard :D and have NO regrets, but it would be fun to go to Guitar Center and listen to the Yamaha too. I made a quickie trip there a short time ago, listened to both, and decided on the Casio, but I think extra keys would be nice for a second keyboard someday. For someone on a small budget, they are really affordable for what you get.
I had a PSR-EW410 for some months and, while sound was not bad (nor better in general than my CTX-5000), I could not stand the cheap keybed it uses. It is the only Yamaha keyboard I have sold so far, and I have quite a lot of them (most synth type, but also a DGX660)

I really tried to get used to it but was not able to adapt my playing so let it go. And it is a pity, as the CYX-5000 which replaces it for portable use, is just 61 keys and I really like to go closer to 88.

That experience was also a factor deciding to get a used Montage 6 instead of a new MODX 7, as I was afraid of getting a lesser keybed to my Genos one, which I really love.

Of course, YMMV.

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Unread post by shelly0624 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:15 pm

I always welcome first-hand experience. I'm happy with what I have for now, even my old Casio MZ-2000 too. I have to stay on task, which is learning to play. I have been and can hear the music in my head .. the arpeggios, almost every note, because I played guitar. Just finding it all on the keyboard is the challenge. Best to just enjoy making music until I merit something more. Thank you for your input. :) More likely, I can see myself looking for an 88 key digital piano someday.
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Unread post by Saul » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:57 pm

This is an ongoing theme with the cheaper Yamaha PSR's. The key action really does need updating. Why they keep fitting that pretty awful keybed to these PSR's is a mystery. If Casio put a decent keybed on the CT-X and keep the price down there is no excuse for Yamaha not to do the same.
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Unread post by shelly0624 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:40 pm

The key bed on the CTX-800 is very nice. Even though it is a budget keyboard, it meets my need right now and isn't frustrating. I use a piano/strings layer quite a bit. At first I was a little annoyed that you can't adjust the volume on the separate layers.. until I found out that one of the sounds was piano/strings. The strings are more subtle and in the background so I'm a happy camper.
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Unread post by EB5AGV » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:55 pm

My CTX-5000 keybed is nice and sensitive, but it is starting to become noisy, and trust me, I treat it extremely carefully and has seen little use (I have far too many keyboards to share my playing time). It is still not too annoying, but has me worried on long time behaviour.

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Unread post by Saul » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:02 pm

That's interesting Jose. What sort of noise is it, spring type, clanky like plastic hitting plastic?
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Unread post by EB5AGV » Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:09 pm

Saul wrote:
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That's interesting Jose. What sort of noise is it, spring type, clanky like plastic hitting plastic?
More like the last one you comment, plasticky noise. Next time I set it up (it is usually on its bag) I will try to shoot a video, so you can hear it. Now it is subtlte and just always on a key (C4) and sometimes on another one (B3) (with C3 being middle C). Of course, coming from a GHS keybed on my most used weighted keyboard (DGX660), I am not surprised to hear some clicks... But, well, I hoped CASIO had nailed it better than YAMAHA on this.

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